[-empyre-] Re: empyre - are we activists?

Jonathan and Joseph-
I'm all for appropriation and critical reworking of popular culture, and thanks, you caught my gist  - that this reworking is many times skipped for simple substitution. I think as educators we can ask difficult and inspiring questions, and be good examples for what could almost be seen as "activist" media making.

~ m a r y

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Today's Topics:

1. [empyre] producers and consumers (mary flanagan)
2 . Re: [empyre] producers and consumers (Melinda Rackham)
3. Re: [empyre] producers and consumers (=?iso-8859-1?q?Cristiano=20Bianchi?=)
4. Re: [empyre] producers and consumers (Jonathan Lipkin)


Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:15:05 -0800
From: mary flanagan <mary@maryflanagan.com>
To: empyre@imap.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Subject: [-empyre-] [empyre] producers and consumers
Reply-To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au

Joseph -
thanks for your thoughts. I call my thoughts utopian because I
simultaneously cannot help but see the "megalith of the consumption of
popular culture" as a very very large obstacle towards true spontaneous
and collective creative acts. As a committ ed teacher, I am a firm
believer in personal creativity. However on occasion I have experienced
art and media students, for example, turning in projects created by
other artists or by Hollywood as their own -- not as plagiaristic
solutions to the assignment, but because the commercial works "said what
they wanted to say *for* them" and the students thought this was the
same as personal creativity. (Believe me, this has resulted in many many
long discussions!) In many circles, at least in the US, we've become a
culture where years can pass by before someone might face the challenge
of actually *making* anything - food, clothing, gift, etc etc.

But -- I'm optimistic and personally chipping away at this particular
megalith. It would thrill me to no end to find out about and download
music by Mrs. Ludmilla Borghese of Pavia, for example, instead of
Madonna! But right now, for example, the top ten on filesharing systems
fo cused on music tend to be the top ten on the charts, etc.

~ m a r y

Today's Topics:

1. the role of participants as *both* producers and consumers (Joseph Nechvatal)

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Message: 1
From: "Joseph Nechvatal" <joseph_nechvatal@hotmail.com>
To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:53:38 +0000
Subject: [-empyre-] the role of participants as *both* producers and consumers
Reply-To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au

Dear Mary

When you say that "the role of participants as *both* producers and
needs to be emphasized" I fully consent. This is very important. Yes, we
must look forward to the time when every user is also a server - a time when
the upload/download process i s complimentary (at least between creative
people). This in no way seems utopian to me. Does it to you?

Please let me hear from you on this at your leisure.

Joseph Nechvatal

home page: http://www.nechvatal.net


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