RE: [-empyre-] Virtual Construction::An Avatar Manifesto

Hello Melinda, Alan, and Christina, and empryeans:
I must be brief in my replies as I am traveling, but keep talking and expect
more extensive responses on Thursday.
Melinda, yes, I have read Michael's.  I love reading his stuff, he doesn't
give up!

Briefly, it seems that the 3 of you are engaged in the possibility of a kind
of autopoesis, where the avatar becomes autonomous, released from it's
referent.  (although Christina's trajectory is different), I do think that
creates a number of interesting possibilities, but I remain interested in
the limitation of NOT separating the av and the user.  I think that the
entity is no longer an avatar, agent, instrument of signification of/for the
user if the link is broken, it does become, as Alan states, a wandering
vigilante software that has broken away.
I think that its uniqueness comes with the combinatory merger of elements,
Christina's "recombinant condition, a third or liminal space of identity".

I hope to, upon returning, engage in more depth the issues that are
Christina, I do think that Kapital IS a force beyond the user, I was
thinking of Fredrick Jameson here, more later...I also wonder if forgetting
who you are is a necessary condition to a destratification of identity that
might allow one to fully inhabit the liminal spaces, or, as you point out,
become trance followers of normality.
Destratification is dangerous...

more later, please keep talking, and I will be back in place for a more
thoughtful response on Thursday.


-----Original Message-----
[]On Behalf Of Melinda Rackham
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Virtual Construction::An Avatar Manifesto

greg hi..
luv the manifesto.. (have you seen michael heims one where he predicts by
2010 that we will all be living as avatars in our shelteres designed by
"avtatecture" and communicating in 3dspace ?)

im also interrested in how the avatar extends itslef beyond "strap-on
software" as you describe it .. i know you wrote this text some time ago..
and im wondering if you have further thoughts on it considering what others
are doing with avatars recently..

one example  is a work i came across  at a poster session at ISEA..
 Brainscore is performance   produced by
Slovenian artists Darij Kreuh & Davide Grassi. In Brainscore, tracked eye
movements and electrical pulses from sensors attached to the head of the
user (who remains physically constrained though out the performance) control
cute blobby avatars(the audience watches thru 3d glasses..)These inputs
allows the avatars to collect data from the Internet which alters their
shape, size, location and colour over time. The changes in turn affect the
eye movements and brain functions of the user to provide a feedback loop.
the avatar actually does fill up with new data organs.. Here the avatars
coded attributes alter the users physiology making obvious the impact soft
space has through its continuum into hard space...
im starting to think of the  avatar as an Other life form..


alan wrote:
> - which I think is more-or-less what occurs with chatrooms, etc. But there
> are extensions which can be of incredible interest, at least to me. With
> Stelarc, for example, some of his recent work deals with an online avatar
> driven by expert systems that modifies Stelarc's stance/body itself - a
> not-so-distant Net will enable 'its' intelligence, of one form or another,
> to be embodied, almost as a secondary or parasitic entity, in a living
> person. Stelarc talks about remapping of the body in this regard.
> There are also things like the wandering Julia bots, which can be consid-
> ered software that has broken away.
> In my own work, 'Nikuko' is an avatar, but psychologically she 'takes
> over' in my work, as if she's speaking through me; the psychoanalytical
> processes of this internal ectoplasm are different from the usual
> projections (i.e. such as I might use in a conference or IRC chat).
> In other words, there's a tearing-away involved which is related to, but
> not the same as, the usual issues dealing with the future autonomy or not
> of virtual life and intelligence.
> Alan
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