Re: [-empyre-] c*nt obsession
--- Eryk Salvaggio <email@example.com> wrote: > Okay
well, you seem to like your opinion, so I'll
> leave it alone.
Same here, regarding Damien's opinions.
Have a great 2003, everyone.
> Damien Everett wrote:
> >>> erik:
> >>> >It strikes me as a
> >>> profoundly absurd practice for a woman to refer
> to herself as a "cunt"
> >>> as a source of pride.
> >>> Yes, because you think all women should
> subscribe to your definition
> >>> of and belief structures surrounding what a
> "cunt" is?
> >> I'm not speaking for myself. I'm speaking for a
> society raised with a
> >> culture of control by way of reduction of women
> exclusively to sexual
> >> beings and mothers; both of which center around
> the vagina.
> > What society is that? One without sisters,
> friends, grandmas,
> > daughters, co-workers, teachers, healers... sounds
> terrible to me!
> >> The assertion by a woman that they are a "cunt"
> is not reclaiming
> >> anything, even if it is based on obscure and
> >> interpretations of early paganism. It's merely
> affirming what men are
> >> already raised to believe: That a woman is a
> sexual organ; and that
> >> the only means for that woman to obtain power is
> by way of that
> >> sexual organ; and that men must "respect" [or,
> "worship"] that sexual
> >> organ because it is the only route a woman can
> take to empowerment.
> >> I think very few people are capable of
> considering the "symbolic" and
> >> "positive" aspects of a term that is a form of
> >> degrading violence against women. Again, I am
> simply pointing out why
> >> the word "cunt" is offensive to begin with.
> > "cunt" is not offensive to begin with:
> > >The word you find so offensive is derived from
> the name of the
> > >Great Goddess Cunti, or Kunda, in her persona as
> the yoni or
> > > womb of the universe. According to researcher
> and linguist
> > >Barbara G. Walker, other cognates are "cunabula,"
> a cradle or
> > >earliest abode; "Cunina," a Roman goddess who
> > >children in the cradle; "cunctipotent,"
> all-powerful (i.e., having
> > >"cunt-magic"); as well as the words cunning and
> ken: knowledge,
> > >learning, insight, remembrance and wisdom. Cunt
> is "not slang,
> > > dialect or any marginal form, but a true
> language word, and of
> > >the oldest stock."
> > >
> > >"Kin" originally meant not only matrilineal blood
> relations, but
> > >also a cleft or crevice, the Goddess's genital
> opening. A
> > >Saharan tribe called Kuntahs traced their descent
> from this holy
> > >place. In ancient writings, the word for "cunt"
> was synonymous
> > >with "woman," though not in the insulting modern
> sense, the
> > >way one of the words for "man" in Hebrew derives
> from its
> > >word for "penis." The vulgarity is purely a
> modern construction;
> > >it was merely descriptive to those in the
> > >ancient world.
> > >Latin Cunnus, Middle English Cunte, Old Norse
> Kunta, Old Frisian
> > Kunte, Basque Kuna. That many words from cradle
> (cunabula) to
> > cunctipotent (all powerful, omnipotent) to cunning
> (to know) derive
> > from cunt? [Michael Dames, THE SILBURY TREASURE:
> THE GREAT GODDESS
> > REDISCOVERED, Thames and Hudson Ltd, London,
> >> This is all extremely useless. I don't see why
> "worship" of one type
> >> of sex organ over another is going to liberate
> anyone. Am I suddenly
> >> to feel inferior for not having a vagina?
> > The point I and others have repeatedly been making
> is that "cunt" is
> > NOT just about the sex organ, its just that many
> are unable to
> > appreciate this due to their cultural programming.
> You seem to believe
> > cyberfeminists exclusively define themselves as
> c*nts as a sexual
> > metaphor and that it is the only aspect of their
> self representation
> > they intend...
> > Language is dynamic and adaptive, and art is often
> subversive in
> > nature and seeks to shock and break down such
> incorrect preconceived
> > ideas.
> > to reiterate the words of Julianne Pierce:
> > >One of the strategies to do this was to use
> language and to reclaim
> > language which is negative or derogatory towards
> women. The word
> > 'cunt' can be offensive...and has obviously been
> offensive to some on
> > this list!! But for us it was about using this
> word in a positive way,
> > to say that we are cunts and proud of it....in
> other versions of the
> > manifesto we replace the word 'cunt' with 'kunst',
> we make art with
> > our 'kunst'. We were also interested in the
> relationship of the body
> > to the computer...that the Matrix is another word
> for the womb and
> > that the cunt or clitoris is a direct line to the
> > now can we get past the cunt obsession thing yet?
> > d
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