Re: [-empyre-] various posts

Dear empyre posters -

First, a hello and apology for being so long in chiming in.  Just now I am
finishing up grades and trying to deal with ELO issues at the same time -
and what seems delicious is a civilized discussion of art, lit, the works and the
ways.  Also good to see old friends - geni, hazel, jim, and all -
I am interested in the ways in which narrative can be sustained with complex uses
of media - and how "text" is created by sound, navigation, and image.
There is so much to explore in this arena -
and I am looking forward to exploring the URL's that have been

Always, Margie Luesebrink

geniwate wrote:

> on 27/5/03 1:17 PM, hazel smith at wrote:
> Hazel said
> > It was a good paper, but Varicella did seem, at least
> > on the face of it, a bit conservative, both in content and form. I would be
> > more nterested in a more generative narrative approach rather than one
> > operating within such interactive constraints  (I'd also prefer less stress
> > on royal matters!! )
> haha; yes I also find works that on the surface just engage with one
> tradition (in this case text) rather uninspiring, and I have always tried to
> find ways to combine visual, textual and audio when I have those resources
> available.
> As for princesses, I'm afraid my new work is absolutely riddled with
> princesses so we part company there...
> >
> > Noah mentioned Cage and Jackson Mac Low  in
> > conjunction with his n-gram work presumably because of the  the balance
> > they set up between control and freedom in their work : do you feel your
> > recent work has any affinity with theirs, or that it moves in an entirely
> > other direction (I presume the latter!).
> it's all, entirely about control and freedom; everything I do explores this
> tension, but in different ways. That's part of why I love the programming.
> (don't feel qualified to comment on how closely they relate to cage, etc.)
> >
> >  in academica it seems many people who are very
> > literate in the visual arts, and /or the verbal  are  less interested in,
> > and involved with  music.
> yes, its difficult to be cross-disciplinary; for me personally its a matter
> of getting cross-disciplinary resources; for us all it is difficult to
> achieve cross-disciplinary language. It scares me when people seek to
> establish new disciplines, when I still feel I'm overcoming an intellectual
> inheritance that seeks to divide and conquer.
> Patrick said
> >Also, does the online/virtual actually allow for rich new
> methodologies of the construction of narrative through techniques such as
> virtual terrains(VR), associative mindmapping, Augmented Reality overlays,
> or multimodal representations?
> I'm not sure I follow everything you say but I do think an interesting
> project is the 3d version of Diana reed Slattery's Glide, in which she
> combines a 3d series of signs with a generative poetic semantics and of
> course there is a computational strucutre holding it together. While this
> system does not meet your interest in metanarrative it would seem that
> slattery has created a richly associative semantic environment in which the
> user can have the experinece of being 'inside' the sign, inside the sign
> simultaneously in a visual and semantic way
> The 3D Glide is still in beta; I look forward to playing around with it one
> day to get a better sense of the experience.
> geni
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Marjorie Coverley Luesebrink
M.D. Coverley

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