*To*: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>*Subject*: Re: [-empyre-] for example -*From*: Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>*Date*: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:54:23 -0500 (EST)*Delivered-to*: empyre@bebop.cofa.unsw.edu.au*In-reply-to*: <1068061148.26126@mailserv03>*References*: <1068061148.26126@mailserv03>*Reply-to*: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>

On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Yvonne Martinsson wrote: > Iconoclasm is the word that first comes to my mind - iconoclasm of the spam > inferno - a 'devilish' outburst - but couldn't you have done this by hand? > What is gained in this piece by applying a code? > This is a bit confusing. For example, I might have written out Einstein's equations of general relativity by hand without understanding them - but that would overlook the underlying generating structure. This work was generated in the sense of [ input > filter > output ]. Whether the filter was applied by hand or by machine is irrelevant; the fact that there _was_ a filter is important. The filter is many-to-one by the way - you can't reverse the encoding and come out with a determinative text. > In another thread we talked about the chora/the unconscious and I see a > conflict here between neural skeins and digital skeins, unless you by neural > refer to plain biology. > I'm not sure what you're referring here? What is the conflict? > Forgive my ignorance, but I don't know whether your use of code here is > algorithmic or not, nor do I know if it always has to be. But I'd like to > contrast algorithm with rhythm, mathematics with the unconscious. > Not sure how to answer you here - it's algorithmic to the extent that the filter can be applied to various situations. But there's no mathematical problem solving going on - perhaps you've used the wrong word? > According to Merriam-Webster.com algorithm, in its technical sense, is "a > procedure for solving a mathematical problem (as of finding the greatest > common divisor) in a finite number of steps that frequently involves > repetition of an operation". And according to Encyclopaedia.com algorithm, > when broadly defined, is "an interpretable, finite set of instructions for > dealing with contingencies and accomplishing some task which can be anything > that has a recognizable end-state, end-point, or result". > > Thus, algorithm is a finite structure, bent on repetition according to a > stringent set of numbers. The two definitions above aren't the same of course. I prefer 'filter' - which can be either passive or active, even returning the same to the same perhaps (null filter). I'd imagine category theory and functors come into play here, but I'm not that mathematically sophisticated. > Contrast this to the unconscious, which is an open-ended structure that > continuously reshapes itself in the subject's interaction with others and > the Other. It follows its own internal logic, its rhythm, etymologically > related to 'flow': rhythm, the flow of psychic mobility. But why a contract? And even the unconscious finds a home, say, in the dream or interpretations - even in flying dreams there is the logic of gravity.... > Can there be interaction between a finite structure and on open-ended one? > Or, is iconoclasm, destruction, hacking, the only possibility? Or, is the > clash between them the same as the one between the subject's free psychic > mobility and the symbolic/societal structures? > Of course - re: the first question - the continuum harbors infinite structures, both finite and infinite. And open-ended doesn't necessarily imply infinite. In short - how free is the psychic mobility you describe? If it were totally free, I'd imagine there would be chaos (in the literal and not the metaphoric sense). > Yet, societal structures can be played with. The symbolic can be played with > - in language and/or art - and bring about change in both the player and the > played. Can play with the code change the code? Of course! At least for me, just as the dream follows its path, so does code follow its path, but both are loose, full of play, desire, artifice, 'wobbling,' etc. I'm not thinking of this in the sense of rigidities... - Alan, and thank you greatly - > > > yvonne > > ---------------------------------------- > http://www.freewheelin.nu > > > > From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com> > > Reply-To: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au> > > Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:35:12 -0500 (EST) > > To: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au> > > Subject: [-empyre-] for example - > > > > > > > > for example in the below (which I'm not claiming is particularly good) - > > spam was collected in the buffer of hyperterminal, then modified through > > repeated sorts, and seds (sorting and substituting - in this case, > > substituting to nothing) in my unix shell account. The result is a swollen > > 'body' of punctuation which almost becomes legible towards the end; > > further, almost all the lines are duplicated, with one or the other > > containing individual lower-case letters. This makes the filtering process > > visible. > > > > The movement from inchoate to proto-language (although technically it's a > > layer beneath or prior to proto-language) fascinates me; I didn't know > > myself how the work would 'come out,' but eventually I worked towards a > > particular direction that became manifest. > > > > I've placed the code which operated on the buffer after the piece - the > > 'seds' substitute the first part of the expression (for example [A-Z] - > > which means any capital letter) for the second (for example // - which > > means just close up the text at that point). > > > > Hope this helps - Alan > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > > > > > s*p^a%m m!a#c$h%i^n(e > > > > > > > > [ [ 2 20 0 > > [ [ 2 20 0 > > $ $353500000 0 , , > > ! !! > > & & 1818,0,00000 , > > ---------------- 1.1.0 0 _ _ _ _ > > , , . . ? ? . . 1 10 0 4 4 ( > > ! ! ================================= = > > $ > > , ,/ / . .. . . ./ /| | ' ' , ,/ / : : > > . .. . > > 202029291.1.................. 2.2.4 4 _ _ > > e 202029291.1.................. 2.2.4 4 _ _ > > . .. . _ _ _ _ " " " " > > .... : : < < : : & & > > ! ! : : > > _ _ _ _ > > !%!% : :4949:5:50 0 -0-050500 0 ! ! . . > > - - ^ ^ ---- > > - - l ^ ^ o ---- > > - -- - ' ' .].] * * > > ---- : : : : > > : : ? ? ? ? 1.1.3 > > ? ? , , > > - -" ".].] > > [7[7-1-11]1] , , , , 4 4 2 2: : > > m .d..n. o k k y r y _ _ _ _ c s " " "y" > > r f x h n a d e s y r i t p p > > 1 1 & & * * . . > > ] ] , , !0!00303 > > . ./ /_ _ [ [_ _ 0.0.6 6 _ _ _ _ > > .l./h/_t_d p c [p[_f_g 0.0.6 6 _ _ _ _ i s l l e > >>> . ..... 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