Re: [-empyre-] free will and determinism


I'd say that consciousness is not overlaid on top of particles, this doesn't
make sense. But that what we call consciousness is an unintentional product
of the quantum world. A "bi-product."


> paper by Jaron Lanier:
> A quote:
>  Another way I approached the same question was to
> say, if consciousness were missing from the universe,
> how would things be different? A                range
> of answers is possible. The first is that nothing
> would be different, because consciousness wasn't there
> in the first place. This would be Dan Dennett's
> response (at least at that time), since he would get
> rid of ontology entirely. The second answer is that
> the whole universe would disappear because it needed
> consciousness. That idea was characteristic of
> followers of some of John Archibald Wheeler's earlier
> work, who seemed to believe that consciousness plays a
> role in keeping things afloat by taking the role of
> the observer in certain quantum-scale interactions.
> Another answer would be that the consciousness-free
> universe would be similar but not identical, because
> people would get a little duller. That would be the
> approach of certain cognitive scientists, suggesting
> that consciousness plays a specific, but limited
> practical function in the brain.
>  And then there's another answer, which initially
> might sound like Dennett's: that if consciousness were
> not present, the trajectories of all
> particles would remain identical. Every measurement
> you could make in the universe would come out
> identically. However, there would                be no
> "gross", or everyday objects. There would be neither
> apples nor houses, nor brains to perceive them.
> Neither would there be words or thoughts, though the
> electrons and chemical bonds that                would
> otherwise comprise them would remain the just the same
> as before. There would only be the particles that make
> up everyday things, in exactly the same positions they
> would otherwise occupy.                In other words,
> consciousness is an ontology that is overlaid on top
> of these particles. If there were no consciousness the
> universe would be perfectly described as being nothing
> but particles.
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