RE: [-empyre-] the heart of the matter
This is a very good question.
Before going off in that direction, the question is whether that model
really emulates a organic form of neural interaction, with the same
dynamics, etc. Also, are we looking at computationalism as a rhetorical
model, a philosophical model, or a cognitive model, or other? I think
that the frame in which computationalism is considered is very
important. As a rhetorical model, it sounds fine, but as a concrete
analogue of digital and organic function, I have reservations. But
then, I was wrong about CD's...
Is Randy Beer related to Stafford Beer? I'm more familiar with his work
in organizational synergy.
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Patrick - what about models like for example the Dynamic Recurrent
Neural Network (Randy Beer's model)? Also since these can, and
most often are, implemented as simulations on standard von-neumann
digital discrete systems - what's the difference between the
hardware implementation and the digital simulation (provided say
both are embodied in a "real world" robot)?
Quoting patrick lichty <email@example.com>:
> The most reductive way to put it would be to argue that the two are
> analogous to one another.
> My understanding is that although there is a processing involved, but
> could discuss the definition of information, processing, etc., and the
> nature of cognition vs. data processing (i.e. digital computation). I
> feel that the processes are so fundamentally different, that to make
> analogues between the two is problematic at best.
> Part of my argument is that if one has a hammer, everything looks like
> nail. We use computers now, and my contention is that much looks like
> data to us.
> A question back: can there be a thing such as
> non-qualitative/non-discrete computing? I used to program analog
> computers, but I am thinking about qualitative computing, but not
> analog. Consider that I might be suggesting a complete break with
> silicon computing here. It might be an application for biocomputing.
> Patrick Lichty
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> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 3:46 PM
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> hi patrick,
> what does it mean to say "human thought... is not akin to digital
> computation at all."
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