Re: [-empyre-] liminal filters

Um, Henry, do you feel the same way about people who think video art uses the capabilities of video? Or people who think architecture involves thinking about structures and spaces and movements through them? Or people who think auto mechanics should focus on cars?

You may have a different definition of "new media," but Nick and I share the relatively widespread understanding that it has to do with using computer technology. What I hear Nick saying is that he's most interested in the work that pushes the possibilities opened by the field's defining characteristic. Clearly, if one chose a different defining characteristic (or set of characteristics) then one might also see other work - related to that definition - as the most interesting.

Which is to say, I think you're finding a power play where there is an observation.

All that aside, I'm genuinely interested in how you see new media. If work came from a single discipline, but employed computer technologies for its medium, would it be "new media" to you?


At 10:29 AM -0800 9/1/04, Henry Warwick wrote:
>> There are some core power dynamics being played out here ... on this
list as well as elsewhere in this nascent field.

Has some really scary truth to it, because in the single > arrow statement the writer specifically infers that those people who don't see New Media as a computer driven "new way of thinking, presenting simulated worlds, and connecting and computing upon media in radically different ways" would be best advised to sit on the sidelines of New Media and not participate "directly in the investigations, explorations, and discussions that are taking place."

Now, if there has ever been a statement that arrogates power over a range of
activities in art and privileges one narrow set of activity (working with
computer machines) over another and says that these others have no place at
the table, well, I'm sorry, I just can't hang with that, and that makes the
insight in the double >> arrow quote all the more accurate and poignant.


At 10:29 AM -0800 9/1/04, Henry Warwick wrote:
Personally, I have been considering the idea of "New Media", nebulous as it
is, as part of an even more ethereal sense of "Interdisciplinary Art", where
"New Media" is a kind of a technological subset of that broader grouping, so
as to distinguish, for example, "someone (A) who generates images for the
internet that are generated by data input by a site visitor, that can be
printed and framed, etc." ( brewed up in JAVA, for example) from "someone
(B) who sings songs in constructed environments" (say, made of forest

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