*To*: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>*Subject*: RE: [-empyre-] 'new media' -> future*From*: "Jim Andrews" <jim@vispo.com>*Date*: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:27:54 -0800*Delivered-to*: empyre@bebop.cofa.unsw.edu.au*Importance*: Normal*In-reply-to*: <BC259FF8.6F50%henry.warwick@sbcglobal.net>*Reply-to*: soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>

Henry said: > I think that a unification of Science and Art is a waste of time. The two > are fundamentally different and answer different questions. At the same > time, I think that the dialogue between the two cultural forces will grow > and grow exponentially over time, as they do share a number of needs. it used to be that physics was the great exemplar of the application of mathematics. physics is of course still strong, but with computers being as ubiquitous and significant as they are now, the mathematics of computer science is gaining greater prominence. and how does this mathematics differ from the typical mathematics of physics? well, calculus and differential equations tend to be the central tools of physics. the mathematics of computer science isn't so oriented toward calculus and d.e's as to a kind of mix of tools from analysis/the foundations (logic and formal systems), graph theory, combinatorics. but of course it depends on what aspect of computer science you're looking at. i have to learn Director 3D over the next few months, so will be revisiting linear algebra and vector spaces, matrix transformations, etc. antoine schmitt, i note, wrote a program that performs Fourier transforms on sound. etc. i got a book out from the library the other day called 'Parsing Natural Language' to revisit that stuff for my own interest in language. i picked up quite a good book on game theory a while ago. that looks interesting but it's very hard to read, all math. well written, though. my work is primarily in the arts as an artist. but it is exciting to note that i seem eventually to drag in all the math i ever learned in order to do the art i make. when i was young i studied english and math in school. wasn't interested in computers at all, and didn't start using one till i was 30, after six years of working in the arts, in radio, producing a literary show each week. my education in math and english was, um, interesting but disjointed. this was back in the early eighties. most of the really talented math students i knew ended up not pursuing a career in math. the lifestyle, culture, and pursuits associated with being a professional mathematician were just too unappealing. some went off to do weapons research. some went into the arts. etc. the english students i studied with, well, some of them are lawyers. the odd poet. the odd scholar. but none i know of whose work straddles the arts and sciences. Frédéric Durieu, an artist-programmer, said "...the aim of all this is to create poetry. So, I like to speak about algorithmic poetry. A poem is a text that procures you poetry if you read it. The code I'm trying to write is a text that procures you poetry if a computer reads it for you...." ( http://turbulence.org/curators/Paris/durieuenglish.htm ). The particular piece he talks about in that interview is called "Oeil Complex" which turns out to involve imaginary functions, functions of a complex variable. The point of all this, Henry, is that math and the sciences arise quite naturally in the work of programmer-artists. I wish that, when I was young and studying math and english, there had been more crossover between them. Significant crossover. Not incidental or occassional, but a kind of crossover that could result from the sort of field Nick and Noah are contemplating, trying to foster. To do art and science at the same time is very fulfilling, I find. It raises the purpose of the science, and there's something about using both one's artistic and scientific/mathematical abilities at once that is just very fulfilling. Art and science are, ideally, toward the benefit and delight of humanity. The cultures of science could really use more connection with the cultures of art. I don't mean art as cheerleader in science. I mean significant connection. So that real mathematical problems, say, arise out of the attempt to build a work of art, say. I don't mean art simply as 'humanizer' of science, either, though that could be an important role. Take the work of Giordanno Bruno, say, and have it come from a culture in which science and art are fruitfully combined. ja http://vispo.com

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