Re: [-empyre-] (no subject)
> I would have to say that this approach doesn't really work. The location
> doesn't generate data itself. It's static.
I don't understand. He hasn't really articulated an approach. Jeremy is
asking if given a space to work with, what would interest you. Its
examination by humans that generates data. One could look at the desert
and generate an absurd amount of data based on studies of insects,
geology, archeaology, petrolium exploration and so on.
In the city one could look at a specific street address (lat, long
coordinates) and examine zoning, power and water consumption, wifi data
packets buzzing past, telephone usage and much more.
> Although, there are stations
> here in Iceland where they have stationary, high-precision GPS receivers
> that measure the movement of the tectonic plates, but that's not the
> same thing. Dropping a GPS device in a vacant lot isn't going to give
> you any data unless someone picks it up and steals it. I would have to
> visit the location and see what's going on. Are there any people or
> anything mobile that have some specific relation to the location?
One of our interests is time. It often gets lost because people think of
location aware as mobility, movement in some sort of curent now. Yes this
sort of work is tied to location, but we can also examine that location in
In London Naomi, Jeremy and I stood outside a modern glass and steel store
front bar, a few feet away stood an ancient Roman wall.
I could use my location aware goodies to stand in that court yard and
drill down past the glass and steel building and reconstruct the brick and
mortar building that used to occupy that location. Further back in time I
can reconstruct the Roman stone building that stood here.
If American's weren't so afraid of Terrorism and we had access to blue
prints and maps of city infrastructure. We could expose the varius layers
of water, sewer, electical, telecommunication, transportation and so on
that under the streets of New York.
One could just as easily reverse the process and write a fictive space
across the desert. Perhaps Borges Cartographers only made the map, never
> Perhaps a street cleaner or bike courier in the newly built city center
> or some animal in the stretch of desert. If the desert area is in fact
> the same length and width as the autobahn, maybe it would be interesting
> to use an animal in the desert and a truck driver on the autobahn and
> see how they harmonize.
> On fÃ¶s, 2004-09-17 at 17:24, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
>> If you see a city and you see data, how do you see the two in
>> juxtaposition or integration? If you were presented with either a
>> lot where a historical theater once stood, a stretch of nondescript
>> in the same length and width as the autobahn, or a city center newly
>> built, which would you choose to work with?
>> empyre forum
> Pall Thayer
> empyre forum
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