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...thanks for the reference to Bakhtin - an anchor to ground approaches to thinking space. Bill Hillier (space syntax) offers a possibly related or complementary approach as he looks at space (esp. re: architecture and urban planning) as it's defined by use, the movement of people flowing through it - underscoring the inter-relationship of time and space that is often lost in ocular-centric constructions of space.

...having worked with GPS as an installation artist for the past eight years or so I find 'locative media' exciting for the ways in which they can be used to explore and underscore time-space as an embodied experience - ultimately defined and constructed through the actions and movements of the body, as felt not simply as observed - grounded in historical context - culturally specific and highly overdetermined.

in my work i usually require people to move across large distances - walk long distances, drive for long periods of time according to routes that are unfamiliar, hopefully move in ways that depart from daily routine. i try to compose space and time together in order to draw people into an extended contemplation / interaction of the relationship mind : space : body. on a cognitive level, i find mobile locative media interesting in that they can also support explorations of the signature of time-space that is felt in the proprioceptive body - the inter-relationships of thought, movement and perception...and the representation of movement over time as a morphological expression of the inter-relationship space : time.

On Sep 18, 2004, at 12:48, James Barrett wrote:

Jim writes:
what I find interesting comes out of M.M Bakhtin's methodology for
narrative analysis as chronotope:

"Literally, ‘time-space’. A unit of analysis for studying texts according
to the ratio and nature of the temporal and spatial categories
represented.(Emerson and Holquist 1981 425)"

Even the "vacant lot where a historical theater once stood" (does this
make the lot historical also??) is space in represented form.The data is
not generated by simply observing the space but rather
thinking/reporting/describing it. Moving through a space is also
negotiating a text in spacial form but if I dream about the space or walk
through it during my lunch break then it only becomes narrative if I write
it down or describe it to someone. The exception to this is the idea of
inner-speech which is non-spatial (think blue think sad).
The idea of "filling in the blanks" is a nice one I think. It reminds me
of Tracey Moffat's film and stills work.

Well, first of all, I'm talking about my own approach which I explained
in a previous post.

I don't understand. He hasn't really articulated an approach. Jeremy
asking if given a space to work with, what would interest you. Its
examination by humans that generates data. One could look at the
and generate an absurd amount of data based on studies of insects,
geology, archeaology, petrolium exploration and so on.

This isn't very different than what I was saying. It's not just
examination by humans, it's also how humans or animals or whatever
interact with the location and that is what interests me personally.
What kind of narrative can be extracted from the way people interact
with a location? But, to tell the truth, the narrative doesn't really
matter to me at first. All I want is to make an audio/visual
representation of that interaction. The narrative is more of a
side-effect. You start to wonder what that person could possibly be
doing in that place at that time of day and then, in an attempt to make
some sense of it all, you start to fill in the blanks and make up
stories about what might be going on. But as I say, this is all a
side-effect. I really just want to make a pretty picture.

On lau, 2004-09-18 at 13:22, wrote:
I would have to say that this approach doesn't really work. The
doesn't generate data itself. It's static.

I don't understand. He hasn't really articulated an approach. Jeremy is
asking if given a space to work with, what would interest you. Its
examination by humans that generates data. One could look at the desert
and generate an absurd amount of data based on studies of insects,
geology, archeaology, petrolium exploration and so on.

In the city one could look at a specific street address (lat, long
coordinates) and examine zoning, power and water consumption, wifi data
packets buzzing past, telephone usage and much more.

Although, there are stations
here in Iceland where they have stationary, high-precision GPS
that measure the movement of the tectonic plates, but that's not the
same thing. Dropping a GPS device in a vacant lot isn't going to give
you any data unless someone picks it up and steals it. I would have to
visit the location and see what's going on. Are there any people or
anything mobile that have some specific relation to the location?

One of our interests is time. It often gets lost because people think of
location aware as mobility, movement in some sort of curent now. Yes
sort of work is tied to location, but we can also examine that location

In London Naomi, Jeremy and I stood outside a modern glass and steel
front bar, a few feet away stood an ancient Roman wall.

I could use my location aware goodies to stand in that court yard and
drill down past the glass and steel building and reconstruct the brick
mortar building that used to occupy that location. Further back in time
can reconstruct the Roman stone building that stood here.

If American's weren't so afraid of Terrorism and we had access to blue
prints and maps of city infrastructure. We could expose the varius
of water, sewer, electical, telecommunication, transportation and so on
that under the streets of New York.

One could just as easily reverse the process and write a fictive space
across the desert. Perhaps Borges Cartographers only made the map, never
the city.


Perhaps a street cleaner or bike courier in the newly built city
or some animal in the stretch of desert. If the desert area is in fact
the same length and width as the autobahn, maybe it would be
to use an animal in the desert and a truck driver on the autobahn and
see how they harmonize.


On fös, 2004-09-17 at 17:24, wrote:
If you see a city and you see data, how do you see the two in
juxtaposition or integration? If you were presented with either a
lot where a historical theater once stood, a stretch of nondescript
in the same length and width as the autobahn, or a city center newly
built, which would you choose to work with?

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