Re: [-empyre-] meat and potatoes space
For me, this thread is a great snap-shot of our current moment and a
weakness of our collective discursive practice.
We all agree in the end! And that is all we learn!
Where has this conversation gone?
This is the atomization of our intellectual heritage and future so that
we have no agenda besides stating our opinion.
Christina and I set out an agenda in week one, and I set out an outline
entitled "play ball" inviting collective engagement towards progressive
Weeks later, we are bickering (me included) about things that seem like
we can all somewhat agree upon.
On Nov 29, 2005, at 9:23 PM, Ryan Griffis wrote:
On Nov 29, 2005, at 7:00 PM, marc wrote:
I would imagine that we could collectively imagine that there is a
hybrid practices between the web and the "meat-world" (great term).
that we could collectively allow for a functionality on both
i think Robby's post is meant to be a bit (or more) provocative here
(of course, i've been known to be wrong!). and his crit of tech lines
up with some of the other concerns about the false promises of IT to
deliver democracy, so it's not without some sound foundation. Read
Hakim Bey (aka Peter Lamborn Wilson) lately?
Trebor text posted earlier i think also asks some great questions that
had a couple people on his New Media Education challenging the
effectiveness of IT for the purposes of the left.
Anyway, i think the whole dichotomy thing IT/anti-IT is kind of a
distraction and a bit of a red herring... were people arguing over
whether or not the printing press was going to change the world for
the better, lift up the oppressed, just by being produced?
it did no doubt change the world, but it certainly didn't eliminate
oppression, as our reality testifies to.
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