RE: [-empyre-] the N-space

Correct me if i'm wrong, please, otherwise i'll be talking complete nonsense

N-state, i think, refers to a time dimension.
N-space, i think, refers to a virtual mapping of this dimension, containing
all mappings of previous states.
It's very topological, as in the math discipline and the idea is coming from
set theory gone haywire into the ontological.

Utopia, as derived from Thomas Moore's book, refers to a timeless ideal
state, a platonic abstraction that because it doesn't exist, because it
isn't taking place, has no place.

Both capitalism and religion are pretty much accounted for in an N-state
description of things. I an N-state description of things, the individual
and its personal history are reduced to subliminal presences taken 'en
masse' by a pixel on the map of a visualisation process drawing its gigantic

Futurism is by all means the most ugly phase of Modernism. Reducing
Modernism to Futurism is, i think, very much the same as reducing an
individual and its personal history to a pixel on a map and then giving it
the wrong colour. Nevertheless i find your view of things as expressed here
very valuable, because it enforces a moral duty upon us to try and give our
dealings with art some content that would ensure a different perception of
it. You are ofcourse perfectly right in giving prevalence to analysing our
condition more in terms of political-ideological power. Things like N-space
don't offer hope in a practical way, because there's no horizon beyond

Baudrilliard is in the business of producing prose. He's very good at it.
It's nice to hear he's making pictures now to. It's always good to

On a personal note, the Cathedral Mother wants me to ask you who is the
mother of Modern Turkey.


> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: 
> [] Namens G.H. Hovagimyan
> Verzonden: donderdag 9 maart 2006 14:25
> Aan: soft_skinned_space
> Onderwerp: [-empyre-] the N-space
> Right now we're in a clash of civilizations. The modernist 
> world, the capitalist consumer utopia vs. The religious. 
> Neither world is very appealing.  An N-space then is anything 
> that is not this. It may be that Hakim Bey is right in the 
> idea of a TAZ.
> My father was born in Istanbul in 1927.  For people outside 
> of Europe or on the fringe of Europe the idea of modern was 
> anything but where they lived. It meant escape from religious 
> oppression, racism, xenophobia and genocide.  After World War 
> II, America exemplified that same idea of modern.  My father 
> came to America. He studied engineering. He became an 
> electrical engineer. He worked in computers and 
> communications.  He was the epitome of an American modern 
> technocrat but he spoke with a foreign accent.  The idea of 
> modern is linked to the idea of Utopia which I am told 
> translated means (no
> place.)  Now the Chinese are more modern than the Americans 
> or am I mixing up contemporary with modern?
> The European idea of Modernism can be summed up by a quote from the  
> Futurists , F.T. Marinetti, "...war is the universal hygiene."   The  
> notion of revolution is always a call for the death of an 
> entire political class.  Baudrillard in his latest book the 
> Conspiracy of Art  talks about how all art since the 1960's 
> has been a simulation and rehashing of art historical styles. 
> Now we are in a simulation of a simulation.
> I can't help but think that the West is being sold a 
> reflection of itself by the East (Japan, Korea, China).  It's 
> similar to British bands taking American Rock and Roll and 
> doing it better than the Americans or Alfred Hitchcock 
> creating the absolute image of American Modern in North by 
> Northwest or Vertigo or Marnie. If I were totally  
> crazy I'd say we are living in the Matrix. We just don't know it.   
> And what about the rest of the world, specifically Africa,  
> The tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn, how do they 
> define modern. Is it a (no place) dream?
> The 2006 Whitney Biennial follows this same course of 
> Europeans defining America's dark night of the soul. It's odd 
> because I feel that America is the place where everyone goes 
> looking for their own personal (no place).  Baudrillard in 
> his book is interviewed by the press about his exhibition of 
> photographs.  They ask him if this is a contradiction to his 
> idea of being an outsider critiquing the system.  He says 
> that of course you can be inside the system while critiquing 
> it at the same time.
> Kemel Attaturk is called, "The Father of Modern Turkey."
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