RE: [-empyre-] axis of generation (Re: Dirk Vekemans)

Ok Chris, i'll try 'n explain some in a post this weekend.
Roughly, it's the Cathedral idea that resembles Badiou's loyalty to the
event, but Badiou reifies his 'events' too much to my taste, reintroducing
an eschatologic, 'politicising' reflex on a smaller scale. You don't need
art at all, art is killing art by wanting to be art.

No, ok, but no:  let's not postpone. Hi list. Chris, thanks for asking.
I only have a few moments now. So this will go terribly wrong, I hope.

It's the old Beuys thing too.The problem with not having 'art' araound to
fall back on, to revert to is an indication to me that we really should
banish the idea for the time being at least. 
Just a moment ago Annie Abrahams pointed out in a post to the Rhizome list
that creativity in and of an active proces does not need to be widely known,
or mediated like 'art'is. You have lots and lots of people going about doing
extremely creative things on all different sorts of skill-levels, like all
those youngsters hacking away at new media stuff, sure most of them will
drop out off their 'cool'hobbies but still.. There's this overwhelming
feeling that everything exposing itself as art is ruined from the instant it
does that. And yet people within the art-communities keep insisting on
'being art'. What is the 'strange attractor' here but money power and social

On the other hand the industry, the machinery of capitalism is doing its
best to harnass all these kinds of creativity running wild. Blogs and stuff
like Second Life are essentially monitoring what is going on, chanelling the
energies in controlable objects like 'posts' (wheretoo?) 'archives' and
'avatars'. And even there we want to overcode what is going on into artistic
dictates, we want to have machine art, we need blog-art, yet these obnoxious
and shitty web-applications will only satisfy the needs of the advertisers.
Why is the blog as we know it now so obiquous? Because it is that well made
an app? Surely it is only this format that allows large streams of personal
data to flow in without disrupting the network. Can it be done otherwise?
Ofcourse. Will that ever happen? Probably not.

Gregory Bateson use to stress that education is essentially a two-way
process. You need to be wanting to learn something if you want to educate.
If you don't want to learn anymore from your students, you're not educating
anymore. That's an extremely simple and wildly deep definition of didactism.
You don't really believe that you will _ know_  anything more when you die
then what you did when you were little do you? Perhaps time is just an
illusion, here, a mask for the continuum. So unless you want to do yourself
injustice, we will need to be(have) extremely modest in our assumptions.

& here's the Badiou related part. Someone ought to give this brilliant
French guy a good spanking. There's something dreadfully wrong with what
he's doing, but ofcourse he's also awesomely right about lots of things. For
comparison: if i get very lucky i might be vaguely right about a line of
poetry or two. But then I am the unchallenged King of Kessel-lo. Luckily,
btw,  i don't have the time to elaborate on this, i haven't read
sufficiently yet, but I think he's making some sins regarding some of
Bateson's rules. Anyway, later perhaps.

Difference > absence> difference. Ok suppose we have a zero. Complete Coco
Cola World Domination. Or Pepsi, any black thing will do.

1. How do you create a name-giving process? By giving a name. Recursively
enacting code. The code means what it does. A Cathedral is a cathedral.What
does it do? It er, cathedrals.  Name your cathedral as you see fit.
2. Add cathedralic stuff to your Cathedral. If it's called Neue Kathedrale
des erotische Ellends you might want to add erotic stuff. Or some miserable
3. Go about your life the usual way. You now are a guy/girl running a
Cathedral. Wow, enjoy that. There's a difference in your life, but you can't
quite grasp it.You seem to go about things as if you're inside a
Kelloggs'add. You want to look deeper into this. This is the auto-poetic
part. If a song begins you get echantement. It's also a bit sad because a
cathedral can only be a cathedral, nothing more, or it wouldn't be a
4. Investigate what makes your Cathedral cathedralic. What is feeding on
what? Try and widen some joints, fool around with the relations, like your
hand is consisting of four relations between fingers instead of the dead
meat you're counting.
5. Build a Cathedralic language, establish a protocol and try to communicate
with other Cathedrals. Beware, they might be named "Fey" or some other weird
name. Untsoweiter. 

So the situations I would be interested in promoting is where people are
forced to name things where there are none. Places where we can be brought
to feel the presence of the non-human. Monstrosities that might frighten or
fascinate. Exposing these things as art denies them the force they
represent, (but there is no representation) a force that is of such nature
that it will resist any harnassing anyway. 

 But there are some caveats. As Deleuze has pointed out, there's a very
destructive side to dancing along the progressing crack of the Real.

Oops in come the kids. Dinner should have been ready by now. See ya.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Art Gallery of Knoxville
> []
> Sent: vrijdag 12 januari 2007 15:48
> To:
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] axis of generation (Re: Dirk Vekemans)
> Dirk: Could you describe this idea a bit more?
> From: Dirk Vekemans <>
> > We should enable the masses to talk about such activities
> > by promoting a name-giving process that auto-poetically
> > results in a meaning-generation process.
> How do we create a "name-giving process"?
> What are some different situations that auto-poetically result in
> meaning-generation?  Which of these situations are you interested in
> promoting?
> (offlist prompt for continued onlist discussion)
> -
> Chris

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