[-empyre-] November 2007 on -empyre- : Memory Errors in theTechnosphere: Art, Accident, Archive

Norie Neumark norie5 at mac.com
Mon Nov 12 09:31:37 EST 2007

...in relation to the "conversation below" I meant to mention Andrew  
whose family memories-imaginings-stories-discussions in this  
conversation, and in his wonderful memory objects which i've seen  
IRL, stimulated my own family memories
On 11/11/2007, at 8:36 PM, Norie Neumark wrote:

> HI All,
> Picking up on Maria's comments about documenting as performative  
> and Tim's comments about the psychic archive -- and 'snipping' into  
> the conversation below and earlier conversations with John about  
> energy (whew... too much caffeine??)  I offer the following  
> personal memory for potential energy analyses. I remember the  
> moment when difficult family holidays suddenly turned into fun  
> family holidays when I finally learned to "perform" fun family  
> holiday by "documenting" it with my camera. In those analogue  
> days,none of us ever looked at the family photo archive much  
> (except to perform nostalgia). I think this is also relevant to the  
> example I gave of kids with their phone cameras -- which was  
> probably why that example spoke to me in the first place.
> norie
> On 11/11/2007, at 2:48 AM, John Hopkins wrote:
>> hi Andrew, Norie:
>>> great to have a conversation with someone in our Timezone!
>> okay, from the other side of the globe now... ;-))
>>>>> And then there are the memories we can have of a place we've never
>>>>> been to, but remember through the media...
>>>> and on the level of the individual (that is of the 'I' doing the
>>>> remembering) i have to wonder if there is any substantial  
>>>> difference
>>>> between a memory formed through an intermediate media or through
>>>> direct contact with the actual 'thing' being remembered. I have  
>>>> strong
>> ...snip...
>>>> memory i have of a place i went on holiday in 1995 (for example), i
>>>> keep coming back to the same conclusion, that a memory is a  
>>>> memory and
>>>> no matter how one is formed the ultimate mediator will be an
>>>> individuals 'perceptive filtering' and the circumstances and  
>>>> triggers
>>>> for recall.
>>> If a memory comes from someone else's perceptive filtering but is  
>>> now
>>> your own memory, there feels like some sort of weird lag there,  
>>> between their
>>> perception and your perception... Do you experience that lag when  
>>> you encounter
>>> the place you remembered through their memories? Do your own,new  
>>> perceptive encounters with
>>> that place refilter and alter those acquired memories?
>> I would say that the filtering that happens (in the primary  
>> instance of someone else's experience of place) is based on what  
>> that Other allows to pass through their sensory system to embed in  
>> the mind -- of course everyone is quite different in this process  
>> based on the body-as-filter along with the social filtering  
>> mechanisms that are imbued in the Self during life.    The  
>> overlaying of these filters can be either constructive (think  
>> additive amplitudes) or can attenuate the signal  (the Other  
>> recalls the smells, while you recall the colors of the Light).   
>> Someone sharing, for example, the same family background or  
>> cultural background might have a higher chance of sharing band- 
>> pass energy, thus leading to a additive instance...  the lag could  
>> come from the fact that the memories are 'written' differently in  
>> the mind -- a smell has a different energy-impact on the brain/ 
>> mind than, say, someone's description of the situation where they  
>> smelled something unusual along with a description of the  
>> smell...  the lag would encompass a process of linkage of these  
>> areas of recall perhaps...
>> I dunno... stormy Saturday musings...  here in Köln, which is full  
>> of personal memories...
>> Cheers,
>> JOhn
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