[-empyre-] another explanation in re lost posts

maria miranda maria at out-of-sync.com
Wed Jan 16 16:01:25 EST 2008

Hi empyre, I also had some trouble as a guest on Empyre. my posts  
couldn't get through as they had a "suspicious header".  I'm not on  
gmail and I didn't use the cc function...
.. interested to see if this goes through.
and I'm enjoying the discussions re site/non-site.

On 16/01/2008, at 2:49 PM, Christina McPhee wrote:

> Hi -empyre-
> The COFA systems adminstrator, Damien O'Brien,  has introduced  
> himself with the note, below. He has also made himself a moderator  
> of our list.   He's suggesting that the 'suspicious header' problem  
> might be caused by  hidden coding in gmail accounts.  So that's a  
> new explanation, and if it proves correct, then our fears are  
> unwarranted.
> Thanks for your patience in this matter.
> -cm
> Begin forwarded message:
>> From: Damian O'Brien <damian at cofa.unsw.edu.au>
>> Date: January 15, 2008 5:06:56 PM PST
>> To: christina at christinamcphee.net
>> Cc: lukedsico at yahoo.com.au, melinda at anat.org.au,  
>> bastoslistas at gmail.com, sbasbaum at gmail.com, empyre at cornell.edu,  
>> naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com, editor at intertheory.org
>> Subject: Re: Mailman post from christina at christinamcphee.net  
>> requires approval
>> Hello Christina
>> I find it more than a little surprising and a tad offensive that  
>> your first reaction is to assume that a university would be  
>> actively censoring posts due to the reasons you expressed.  It is  
>> nonsensical in the extreme both from a technical and operational  
>> perspective, and to be frank ridiculous.
>> To the matter at hand.  The address naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com is  
>> subscribed to the empyre list, and it is set to avoid moderation.
>> Your mail suggests that you have received requests for moderation  
>> regarding posts from the address in question.  When you receive a  
>> moderation request, included in the request is a reason that the  
>> post is being moderated.  Here is an example:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
>> following mailing list posting:
>>     List:    Mailman at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
>>     From:    christina at christinamcphee.net
>>     Subject: COFA list administration problem re-empyre-
>>     Reason:  Post by non-member to a members-only list
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Even when an address is set to avoid moderation, it will still be  
>> held for moderation if it triggers any one of a number of server- 
>> wide conditions.  Examples of conditions are:
>> * If a post is larger than the maximum size (Empyre currently has  
>> a maximum message size of 30kb, any of the numerous empyre list  
>> administrators can change this at the administration page for the  
>> list).
>> * If the list address is included in the BCC: field of the mail.
>> * If there are more than 4 addresses in the To: or CC: field of  
>> the mail. (also can be modified in the Administration area).
>> A message passing through the COFA mail server will be quarantined  
>> if it fails tests for spam or viruses.  We have this occur more  
>> often for gmail and yahoo addresses (which often contain embedded  
>> advertisements) than other addresses. However I have checked the  
>> quarantined messages on the server, and no messages from the  
>> address naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com were found.
>> In order to resolve this issue I have added myself as a moderator  
>> and administrator for the list.
>> Christina, can you please forward to me the posts from the list  
>> system requesting moderation for posts from  
>> naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com.  They will contain the reason that the  
>> post was held for moderation in the first place.
>> Naeem, can you please post a new message to the empyre list  
>> (simply containing the words test in the body will do).  No other  
>> moderators for the empyre list are to process the moderation  
>> request.  I have included all moderators in this post so that they  
>> are informed and know not to touch any further posts from Naeem.   
>> I will moderate it myself and try to follow it on the mail server  
>> to identify the path it takes.
>> If anyone has any further information which may be useful  
>> regarding identifying the problem at hand, please contact me  
>> directly.
>> Christina I would suggest that you take more time to consider the  
>> logic behind your assertions, especially when they are as  
>> potentially defamatory as those made both in this post and those  
>> made to the empyre list.  If people such as yourself are jumping  
>> at shadows and accusing the university which hosts your list of  
>> racial profiling I fear that the powers which generate such  
>> hysteria have already won.  I ask that you post to the empyre list  
>> to retract in full your allegations.
>> Regards
>> Damian
>> _____________________
>> Damian O'Brien
>> Systems Administrator
>> College of Fine Arts UNSW
>> Ph: 02 93850672
>> Fx: 02 93850706
>> damian at cofa.unsw.edu.au
>> _____________________
>> On 16/01/2008, at 4:08 AM, mailman-owner at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au  
>> wrote:
>>> From: Christina McPhee <christina at christinamcphee.net>
>>> Date: 16 January 2008 4:04:52 AM
>>> To: lukedsico at yahoo.com.au, mailman at gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au
>>> Cc: melinda at anat.org.au, bastoslistas at gmail.com,  
>>> sbasbaum at gmail.com, Renate Ferro and Tim Murray  
>>> <empyre at cornell.edu>, Naeem Mohaiemen <naeem.mohaiemen at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: COFA list administration problem re-empyre-
>>> hi Luke,
>>> you are on our -empyre- website when I click for Nigel Kirsten,  
>>> so I guess you must have his job now at COFA?
>>> regarding the -empyre- list,  your  Mailman filter settings are  
>>> censoring posts by our guest Naeem Mohaiemen! -- who is a member  
>>> of the listserv.  But why?  I have approved all his posts. Also  
>>> his posts are supposed to go through without moderation.  Instead  
>>> the posts disappear.  The only way I can get his posts to appear  
>>> on the list is to forward them myself.
>>> Is the mailman software filtering his email because he has a  
>>> Middle Eastern name?  I think his name is being blocked because  
>>> when i repost his content under my  name it goes through.  So the  
>>> filters must be changed to allow Arabic, Muslim, Middle Eastern  
>>> nomenclature.  We don't mind lowering the filter standards on the  
>>> -empyre- list in order to be sure that speech remains accessible  
>>> to everyone on our list. I am assuming this is the problem.  IT's  
>>> incredibly embarrassing, and there doesnt seem to be any way I as  
>>> a list moderator can fix this.   Please help us out.  This is an  
>>> international list and such a thing should not be happening.
>>> Thanks, and I hope you can respond really soon,
>>> Christina McPhee
>>> -empyre-
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