[-empyre-] to brazil with love
archivocaminante at yahoo.com.ar
Wed Jun 4 04:52:12 EST 2008
Dear Lotus5, dear all,
I like your words, full of images!
I can understand our feelings about the "normal" demonstrations,
meetings, marches, rally, etc.
For me what you wrote about "transformation" (in connection with the
alterglobalization movement) is for me totaly related with "incarnation".
But for me is very important to be clear in this: transformation could be a "more ephimere" experience, is like a passage, going to incarnation.
Then, in the middle of our experiences, incarnation is the possibility to stay in a kind of "expanded space,time&language" with others. Is a different temporality, both part of the movement.
Then, incarnation is a very intensive tool in our fight. In my thinking,
is about how to be more.
Eduardo Molinari / Archivo Caminante
Aramburu 880, Dto.1 (1640) Martínez
Provincia de Buenos Aires – Argentina
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--- El lun 2-jun-08, lotu5 <lotu5 at resist.ca> escribió:
> De: lotu5 <lotu5 at resist.ca>
> Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] to brazil with love
> Para: poopstarr at yahoo.com, "soft_skinned_space" <empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Cc: archivocaminante at yahoo.com.ar
> Fecha: lunes, 2 de junio de 2008, 1:22 am
> >>>>> From: Eduardo Molinari
> <archivocaminante at yahoo.com.ar>
> >>>>> what is to "erotize
> politic" today?
> >>>>> what are the connections between body
> and ideologies today?
> >>>>> what is the political dimension of
> the body today?
> >>>>> to erotize politic for me is only
> possible when incarnation
> >>>>> happens.
> >>>>> then you can "feel" the
> political actions, also the enemy ones.
> Well, I seem to have provided some answers of my own to the
> below without knowing you were discussing them!
> As for people being afraid in the states, YES, I think so,
> but also
> distracted. I think that most often in my interactions with
> people they
> feel disconnected from politics, like they can't make
> any change
> politically, so "why waste your time?", and
> really people are distracted
> too, and find politics boring. I too find most political
> marches and
> rallies and movie screenings boring, I admit!
> I always find that whenI leave the US though, people in
> other places
> seem more engaged with politics, like there is a history
> and a culture
> of political engagement, so there's already a built-in
> assumption that
> politics matters, while to most people in the US politics
> is seen as
> something foreign, until voting time comes around.
> As a teaching assistant in a university, this is my most
> experience, that even queer women of color or muslim women
> will say
> straight to my face "I'm not interested in
> politics. It has nothing to
> do with me." Although, I teach art classes, so maybe
> its a commentary on
> artists, or on college students or on my particular city.
> Or I've had so
> many women in my classes say adamantly that they are not a
> feminist, as
> if they were afraid to be seen as feminist. But again,
> maybe a
> commentary on who is interested in studying art, and
> hopefully they felt
> differently after my class!
> This idea of incarnation and feeling actions is
> interesting, because
> I've heard many people I know, friends, describe
> experiences in the
> alter-globalization movement as transformative, and they
> seem to
> structure their lives around politics after these
> experiences, but
> they're often the moments of being in a huge crowd with
> thousands of
> chanting people, sharing sweat, or being traumatized by
> rubber bullets
> and tear gas, or running together in a black bloc, or being
> hit in the
> head with a police baton, these are the moments that I feel
> describe as transformative and they are absolutely embodied
> moments that
> you "feel"!
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