[-empyre-] to brazil with love
iwaslike at hotmail.com
Tue Jun 10 03:32:09 EST 2008
for everything this month.
it was beautiful
and i hope this
un abrazo y un beso
> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 02:24:53 -0700
> From: archivocaminante at yahoo.com.ar
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] to brazil with love
> To: poopstarr at yahoo.com; empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
> Hi Fabi, hi Frente 3 de febrero friends, hi all
> Amazonia, Patagonia, Andes, great places for making things there.
> I´m with you: is necesary to change this "white man" history.
> I´m sure that is not -only- a question of the colour of the skin.
> I think that the "one line" history is a central trouble.
> For our prehispanic cultures there is not one line.
> I hope, I wish, we can make something together in the future,
> in the next Forum, for example.
> I hope, I wish, we can keep in contact and continue thinking together.
> thank you very much for all.
> un abrazo
> Eduardo Molinari / Archivo Caminante
> Aramburu 880, Dto.1 (1640) Martínez
> Provincia de Buenos Aires – Argentina
> 0541 1 47 98 48 35
> --- El sáb 7-jun-08, fabi borges escribió:
> De: fabi borges
> Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] to brazil with love
> Para: poopstarr at yahoo.com, "soft_skinned_space"
> Fecha: sábado, 7 de junio de 2008, 3:09 pm
> Hi! everyone!!
> im so glad to see daniel and felipe here, sharingsex too, and all you,
> we had a good conversation for sure this mouth,
> i would like we start to think in some encounter in forum social world in belém amazonia in next year...
> make something toguether before or later
> to the forum in that city: Belém! or near...
> maybe we think too much in big urban places,
> i left sao paulo becouse it: everybody lives there thinks is the center of the world,
> like european people, they imagine the center of the world is europe and all the world is around this,
> amazonia is somethig so distant,,,,
> Our "left" governament in Brasil is to try to became a
> europe as well... development, progress, education, is egual a controle society..
> i dont know,,,, its so boring think our alternative is became a europe!!! sad, very sad...
> not because we dont have nice people here, of course we have , its not about europefobia, its about some
> idea of development the colectives of art, and activists have, and they just go to the poor worlds whit this ideas
> about to make a leatle europe.
> you think you are not? i think yes, you are, but maybe you save yourself becouse you have a good intention... make movies whit poor children about how sad they are becouse they are not europe....
> have some sentences in this list like: say who really knows whats happend in america latina , i abomine... becouse shows a way to see the world very white man logic and alll this shit we want to destroy, i want!!!
> ok, i could go deeper, but i will stay here.
> this email was just for say, i like too much this lists and we have to try make something in other scale
> i propouse amazonia for now.... what do you think????
> besos besos
> 2008/5/27 Irina Contreras <poopstarr at yahoo.com>:
> Ooops....just saw this too!
> icarus project might be interesting for you to look into Fabi!
> They are a radical (dare I say queer feminist) mental health collective. I think it started in new york city.
> Right now, seeing that a few of the members have participated in the Encuentros throughout Mexico, some of the members have been seeking to do this online encuentro. I am not involved so I cant speak to how it is going now but I know that it was not going so well before. Perhaps if you might like to be in touch with them I can introduce you to Madigan who is a part of it.
> I love collaborative international masturbation!
> Yea, I think that makes more sense to me as incarnation. I think also that experimentation is part of the answer were there to be such a thing. His/herstory is important as well but we should also be unafraid to make mistakes because we will inevitably anyway right? I guess that's where ERROR comes in right? (ha ha, there are a few of us wearing our I heart Error bags together in L.A!)
> But thanks for the links Fabi and no I do not think spiritual discourse and if it is, I think that it is also okay to make new whatever this leak into spirituality is connected to.
> Also, who is that person you mentioned at the end? Toni Negri?
> And one more thing too...
> Everyone all has their own separate ides of freedom, sexuality, politics etc....in some ways I think it's all semantics etc. But I like what you say about it being a little dangerous. I think it should be.
> Fabi, you might like my friend Mattilda Sycamore Bernstein....look her up!
> She has a website....Anyways, one thing I really can into with Mattilda is the idea of being able to criticize our friends and ourselves, our compas if you will. I think that that is part of love being revolutionary. Which is equally cheesy right but even Che said, whatever kind of a lost cause pop culture icon he might seem now...the idea is that love is a guiding principle as much as being pissed off is.
> --- On Mon, 5/26/08, fabi borges <catadores at gmail.com> wrote:
>> From: fabi borges <catadores at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] to brazil with love
>> To: archivocaminante at yahoo.com.ar, "soft_skinned_space" <empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
>> Date: Monday, May 26, 2008, 3:26 AM
>> hei people!!! Irina e Eduardo, jennifer, brians,
>> first, i have to say my english is not so good, so,,,,
>> sorry some
>> mistakes... hilan translate our answers
>> but we are waitting to be aproved em empire
>> (esquizotrans at gmail.com) for he
>> receive the list aswell.
>> Irina,,,, i don't know ícarus project, what about?
>> and well, erotism and politcs
>> we can start talking about body control, control of
>> sexuality and excessive
>> producion about sexual desire,
>> we can talk about estereotips, models, fashions, the
>> control of abortion
>> (woman bodies)... production of subjectivity or erotic
>> we can talk about all feminism staff, or war against sida,
>> or queer and
>> homosexual moviment... glbtt, pornography economy and
>> pornography like a
>> social moviment too...
>> everything i talk until now is sexo, body, erotism and
>> but... we already know it..
>> i thing the word incarnation eduardo brought here is very
>> becouse to bring back the body into a experience for
>> thoughs, knowledge is
>> maybe the more important micropolitic we can do....
>> but it is not just it... we are leaving a special moment
>> about sexual
>> narratives... because the internet, the comunications,
>> the free software, colaborative stuff, the narratives of
>> sexualities is
>> changing, people are doing they're own videos,
>> parties, changing the mecanism estetic of pornography
>> industry.. and
>> more... make this revolution of colaborative masturbation
>> we have some examples of events whit diferents groups of
>> interess like
>> precarious, vulnerabilities, prostitution, homeless,
>> imigration, free
>> pornography, queer, free software, ciberfeminism,
>> ciberativism, free radio,
>> we made some events like this in brasil, putting in the
>> same space of
>> imersion prostitucion, queer, indian and mst (moviment for
>> well... in spain it start happend and i could see or
>> participate in this
>> last tree mouths of some encounters like this
>> we dont have a answer... but experimentations.... it is
>> the challenge,
>> we are trying to make a event here in madri the name is
>> "noise and
>> democracy" where every this stuff is putting
>> toguether but not
>> for everybody discuss, talk, talk, make polemics... i
>> thing this kind of
>> events came whit a leatlle part of inconscientizacion...
>> sometimes i call this events squizoanalisis like guattari
>> becouse it is about *frequency and intensification and not
>> about more
>> consciencia*,,,,, it is a ritual of empowerment... and of
>> course it is a
>> leatle dangerous... because the encounter of alterity -
>> alteridad -
>> (radical diferences) is not always harmony... you have to
>> be prepared to
>> stay there... *its conectives lines*... it is about
>> xamanism, noise
>> music and body... for make your body open and strong in
>> the same time...
>> i think toni negri could call it like a constituint event.
>> well... i will write more after and ask hilan to translate
>> that.. i hope
>> it dont seems like spiritualist discourse eheheoheoehoeo,
>> becouse we are
>> i send here some links
>> 2008/5/25 Eduardo Molinari
>> <archivocaminante at yahoo.com.ar>:
>>> Hi Irina, dear all
>>> erotic and politics... intensive connection!
>>> I agree with you, the states bores me too about this.
>>> what is to "erotize politic" today?
>>> what are the connections between body and ideologies
>>> what is the political dimension of the body today?
>>> to erotize politic for me is only possible when
>> incarnation happens.
>>> then you can "feel" the political actions,
>> also the enemy ones.
>>> what do you think Irina?
>>> thank you!
>>> Eduardo Molinari / Archivo Caminante
>>> Aramburu 880, Dto.1 (1640) Martínez
>>> Provincia de Buenos Aires – Argentina
>>> 0541 1 47 98 48 35
>>> --- El jue 22-may-08, Irina Contreras
>> <poopstarr at yahoo.com> escribió:
>>>> De: Irina Contreras <poopstarr at yahoo.com>
>>>> Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] to brazil with love
>>>> Para: "soft_skinned_space"
>> <empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Fecha: jueves, 22 de mayo de 2008, 6:59 pm
>>>> hi everyone,
>>>> my name is Irina Contreras....
>>>> just wanting to drop in finally and try to tune
>> in more....
>>>> excited about where this is going....i have to
>> say i was
>>>> finding some of the other conversation to be
>> losing me for
>>>> some reason...maybe its just the nature of the
>>>> im really intrigued by this booing that took
>> place at the
>>>> sexual diversity screening...what happened if i
>> can ask?
>>>> im also interested and wondering about an
>> expansion on the
>>>> ideas of microerotic and the integration of
>> erotic into
>>>> political issues.
>>>> It seems funny because queerness and sex has been
>>>> inevitably politicized as i see it.
>>>> but i also think that the way it is often
>> currently done in
>>>> the states bores me a bit....it feels very
>> limited to me
>>>> racially especially.
>>>> alright, im done....
>>>> also, are you active with the icarus project
>>>> --- On Thu, 5/22/08, brian whitener
>>>> <iwaslike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> From: brian whitener
>> <iwaslike at hotmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [-empyre-] to brazil with love
>>>>> To: empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
>>>>> Date: Thursday, May 22, 2008, 6:53 AM
>>>>> hi all,
>>>>> sorry for the absence. internet access has
>> been a bit
>>>>> difficult this last days.
>>>>> these are a few questions for hilan and
>> fabiane: what
>>>>> it mean to work in an errorist manner?can
>> you send
>>>>> from the handbook of esquizotrans
>> pornography?what is
>>>>> 'esquizerda' (the esquizoleft) ?what
>> does the
>>>>> organization of trans or esquizoleft
>> community look
>>>> like in
>>>>> Fabiane Borges (BR) is a writer and media
>>>>> activistwho works with genders,
>> transgenders, and
>>>>> technology. She has abackground in squat art
>>>>> movements, such as those involvingwhores,
>>>>> media, indigenous groups, and
>>>>> [luta antimanicomial]. She
>> enjoysesquizoanalysis and
>>>>> usually uses the name
>>>>> (BR) inspects singularities (like poetry
>>>>> coming out of the prisons), lectures
>> philosophy in
>>>>> theUniversity ofBrasilia and writes
>> Esquizotrans – a
>>>> gang of
>>>>> our shifting slices Esquizotrans is an
>> assembly of
>>>>> focused on transgressing anddiluting
>> borders. We
>>>>> with writing, filming, performing inorder to
>> blur both
>>>>> gender and genre borders. We do it in an
>>>> erroristmanner (as
>>>>> hangovers of the Errorist International). In
>> 2007 we
>>>>> booed in a sexual diversity film festival in
>>>>> screening our Mulher-Bicha (Female Fag).
>> Since 2006 we
>>>>> produceshort films accompanied with small
>>>>> attempt tochannel erotic energy into
>> politics while
>>>>> the politicalundertone of the microerotic.
>> We maintain
>>>>> column in the MondeDiplomatique, Brazil,
>> were we
>>>> dilute the
>>>>> principles of column-writing,celebrate both
>>>>> and the transgender takes on whateveris
>>>>> formulate what we call the
>>>>> (theesquizoleft) – that would attempt to
>>>>> subversive force from themultiplication of
>>>>> deviation and error. Our current
>> projectsinvolve short
>>>>> films of urban intervention in several
>>>>> writingperformances where our convulsive
>>>>> is shown in theopen and the publication of
>>>> handbook of
>>>>> esquizotrans pornography. Our recent
>>>>> site:http://esquizotrans.wordpress.com enjoy
>> some of
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