[-empyre-] Re: love, sacrifice, and the eternal return

melinda m at subtle.net
Mon Oct 20 20:51:22 EST 2008

Hi all
Well i guess it depends on what sort of love you are referring to...
-this one sounds like the heady passionate compulsive type of love, as
distinct the primal lust type of love, or the attached companionable type of

Ive been doing a bit of research lately for book chapter coming out soon on
love in 3 dimensional online environments, and this sort of love - the
tragic, the dramatic, the love of romeo and jullette, pop music and
hollywood, and much discussed throughout philosophy is really just a
physiological response sparked by a set of characteristics in the love
object (which doesn't necessarily have to be a person or the representation
of person), and the context and availability of that object.

 The more unattainable the object, the more desirable and embedded it
becomes in our neural activity, producing a whole raft of physical effects
from anxiety, palpitations, intense focus, breathlessness, severe
depression, sleeplessness, etc etc, hence upping the likelihood of tragedy,
drama, violence  and sacrifice..

Neatly circular hey.. and definitely unromantic..


> Owen et al,
> Love and sacrifice are intimately intertwined throughout history. Or
> should we say surrender rather? But, what is sacrificed or what is
> surrendered to?
> In a Lover's Disourse Barthes says he wants to say 'I love you' in
> Spanish - te quiero -  because the subject is dropped in Spanish
> syntax. And even more preferably, he would like a language that drops
> the object as well. The subject - object sacrificed, excluded,
> eradicated, the word 'love' becomes affirmative. In love 'I' don't
> exist - which is very contrary to contemporary culture of taking
> control, getting in charge etc that situates us in the violence of
> language, control issues and so forth.
> Barthes also says he wants the lover to be a 'mute object'.
> Interestingly enough he calls the lover an object here in the
> discourse of love. A case in point for the 'tyranny of language'? As
> soon as language returns, we fall into its violence, and the violence
> and hence the I need to be sacrificed, if we want to surrender to the
> affirmative  'love' [you].

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