[-empyre-] question about online writing

mez breeze netwurker at gmail.com
Thu Oct 29 09:12:10 EST 2009


interesting points adam.

jo [from the turbulence team] is allowing my in-progress _Networked Book_
"chpt" 2 considerably deviate from this "established publishing" standard:
ie "publishing" the chpt contents as a Google Wave [with all the buggy beta
joys that platform brings]. i've using it 4 a number of projects including
live-editing + experimental theory construction: the format will enable the
"chpt" 2 perform as a transformational_livestream rather than laboring under
a static "standard authorship model". a dynamic text version/translation
will also be available [subject 2 approval].

chunks,
][mez][


On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:26 PM, adam hyde <adam at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> i have a very basic question to the turbulence crew. I must first say,
> I'm not an academic so I would really appreciate a plain text answer and
> not have to use the postmodern dictionary to parse....
>
> ...what part of the Networked Book project is not replicating the
> politics and top-down processes of the established publishing industry?
> I see the mechanics as (slightly) different from what most 'publishers'
> use these days. But the fact that you 'use a wiki' or a blog to create a
> collection of long from texts does not seem to me to be tackling
> anything interesting. Comment Press I like, but this is interesting an
> out-of-the box plugin for wordpress. What are you adding to this?
>
> When it comes down to it, I think that the process inherent in your
> model is more conservative than most wikis since you have very clearly
> named authorial hierarchy such as "Lichty › Art in the Age of DataFlow".
> There still seems to be a very standard authorship model in place and
> you have not investigated how the networked environment can really break
> established modes of textual production.
>
> >From the long view, it seems you have a mistake of not knowing if you
> are in the Cathedral or the Bazaar. Which is it?
>
>
> adam
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 12:49 +1100, Anna Munster wrote:
> > I don't want to sound like a fascist here...but as  moderator I am
> supposed to keep people on topic on the empyre list as it is a list devoted
> to particular topics by the month.
> >
> > The question has been raised about whether networks involve a sustainable
> form of future energy. This is tangentially related to the topic at hand
> insofar as reading/writing/making online does involve consuming energy.
> >
> > However, I'd rather not have an explosion of comments about networks and
> energy use etc in a topic where we are looking primarily at networked
> writing/reading UNLESS there are salient points to be made about the
> relation of each to the other.
> >
> > Just a general note about the fact that I will moderate an onslaught of
> off-topic posts IF they come!
> >
> > cheers
> > Anna
> >
> > A/Prof. Anna Munster
> > Director of Postgraduate Research (Acting)
> > Deputy Director Centre for Contemporary Art and Politics
> > School of Art History and Art Education
> > College of Fine Arts
> > UNSW
> > P.O. Box 259
> > Paddington
> > NSW 2021
> > 612 9385 0741 (tel)
> > 612 9385 0615(fax)
> > a.munster at unsw.edu.au
> > ________________________________________
> > From: empyre-bounces at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au [
> empyre-bounces at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au] On Behalf Of Julian Oliver [
> julian at julianoliver.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 28 October 2009 10:37 AM
> > To: soft_skinned_space
> > Subject: Re: [-empyre-] a Question
> >
> > ..on Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:20:19PM +0000, sdv at krokodile.co.uk wrote:
> > > I may have missed this during the past month but has anyone here
> > > actually talked about the cost of networks and whether the network
> forms
> > > are sustainable ?
> >
> > If there's something I don't grokk here it's the strangely time-less,
> > willy-nilly projection of the term 'sustainable'. From when to when and
> what to
> > what is sustainable?
> >
> > 'Sustainability' is a concept that refers to a temporary control over
> energetic
> > decay that favours one or more (inter)dependent organisms.
> >
> > We live on a sphere in a void and we're breeding like rabbits. Let's talk
> about
> > minimising inevitable harm (a 'sensible harm'?) rather than invoking the
> myth of
> > 'sustainability' no?
> >
> > My 2 watts,
> >
> > Julian
> >
> > P.S For all the hair-dryers, needles, routers, castles, deep-sea probes,
> Zaha
> > Hadids, Ikea bookshelves and false teeth made, it's my suspicion that the
> Earth
> > has not grown any heavier and nor has it grown any lighter.
> >
> > --
> > Julian Oliver
> > home: New Zealand
> > based: Berlin, Germany
> > currently: Berlin, Germany
> > about: http://julianoliver.com
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anna Munster wrote:
> > > > I'd now like to bring Anna Gibbs and Maria Angel into the discussion,
> perhaps as 'other voices' and I've intro'd them below. They aren't authorial
> contributors to Networked but hopefully they might become contributors
> anyway!
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering if either of you might comment upon the question of
> reading new media/networked writing. We've had a lot of discussion the
> difficulty of reading dense theoretical writing in online environments and
> hence of people participating in the Networked project. Do either of you
> have any comments about the screen (broadly speaking) as a reading interface
> and/or the role and place of the reader in collaborative and participatory
> writing?
> > > >
> > > > best Anna
> > > >
> > > > BIOGRAHIES
> > > > Anna Gibbs is Associate Professor in the Writing and Society Research
> Group at the University of Western Sydney. A specialist in affect theory,
> she works across the fields of cultural, textual and media studies and her
> most recent publications are in Cultural Studies Review, Interrogating the
> War on Terror (ed Deborah Staines) and forthcoming in The Affect Reader (eds
> Greg Seigworth and Melissa Gregg). A writer of experimental fiction, she
> also collaborates with visual artists and has recently curated an exhibition
> on Art, Writing and the Book. She is currently working on a project about
> Writing in the Media Culture with Maria Angel, and together they have
> published essays in Literature and Sensation (ed Anthony Uhlman and Helen
> Groth) and forthcoming in Beyond the Screen (eds Joergen Schafer and Peter
> Gendolla).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Maria Angel is a Senior Lecturer in the School of Communication Arts
> at the University of Western Sydney, Australia. Current research interests
> include the transformation of literary genres in new media contexts,
> theories of writing, memory, and corporeality. She has published essays in
> the areas of literary aesthetics and visual rhetoric. More recently she has
> worked on the convergence of theories of affect with writing and new media.
> Her current collaboration with Anna Gibbs theorises the emergent field of
> literary writing in digital media and they are currently completing a
> manuscript At the Interface: Writing, Memory, and Motion.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A/Prof. Anna Munster
> > > > Director of Postgraduate Research (Acting)
> > > > Deputy Director Centre for Contemporary Art and Politics
> > > > School of Art History and Art Education
> > > > College of Fine Arts
> > > > UNSW
> > > > P.O. Box 259
> > > > Paddington
> > > > NSW 2021
> > > > 612 9385 0741 (tel)
> > > > 612 9385 0615(fax)
> > > > a.munster at unsw.edu.au
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