[-empyre-] First Theme and Guests - the Thickness of the Screen

Julian Oliver julian at julianoliver.com
Thu Sep 3 21:35:41 EST 2009


..on Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 12:23:18PM +0100, Simon Biggs wrote:
> Is the screen thus a sub-set of the family of mirrors ­ or mirrors a sub-set
> of screens ­ or neither?

A difficult question. 

I would say that Mirrors belong to the set of Screens only if we consider that
we write to mirrors, as an inset plane of representation. A physicist would say
it is the world that writes to mirrors before we ever can. That light is faster
than intent, and thus art.

A rehearsing actor may consider otherwise..

If however all culture is mass reflection - in the critical and social sense -
then all screens do belong to the set of mirrors, yes.

Chairs!

Julian

> 
> 
> From: Julian Oliver <julian at julianoliver.com>
> Reply-To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:57:02 +0200
> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Cc: soft_skinned_space <empyre at gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] First Theme and Guests - the Thickness of the Screen
> 
> ..on Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 09:56:52AM +0000, Pall Thayer wrote:
> > Actually, I agree also that media are not necessarily material. I was
> attempting to avoid
> > addressing this altogether for now because I wanted to clear up other things
> regarding 
> > physical media specifically. As Jose Carlos mentions, in the case of cinema,
> the theater itself 
> > is a medium. But it's not just the physical properties of the theater. It's
> the "aura" of the 
> > theater as well. The same thing can be said of the gallery. There is a
> distinct immaterial
> > character that has a huge impact on our mediated experience and we can really
> sense this 
> > when we see art in non-gallery settings. It's a very different experience.
> 
> Yes, taking a Phenomenological angle on this, from Plato's synthesising
> plane of
> cognition onward, there is no medium only mediation. All that can be
> discussed
> falls purely within the realm of experience, of impressing effects. To
> follow
> this trope is to place all Screens somewhere along the vector between
> corporeal
> mechanism and the sense-making apparatus of a person.
> 
> SciFi references to screens in a holographic context, or in the case of
> Augmented Reality, could be seen as the literal manifestation of this idea:
> the
> screen is any inset plane of representation to which content can be
> dynamically
> written. 
> 
> Why is a mirror not considered a screen? A mirror is the world writing to
> itself.
> 
> That we discuss the screen's depths, a projecting plane comprised of
> material
> parts, is evidence that for us the screen is already fictitious: here we are
> /giving/ it materiality, not taking it away!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Julian
> 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: Pall Thayer <palli at pallit.lhi.is>
> > > Reply-To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> > > Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 01:18:43 +0000
> > > To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> > > Subject: Re: [-empyre-] First Theme and Guests - the Thickness of the Screen
> > > 
> > > Literature is not a medium. The medium of literature is
> > > print. Film is a medium but only if you're talking about the film that
> > > you wind up on spools. The wider class of "film" or "cinema" is a
> > > collection of various media.
> > > 
> > > Simon Biggs
> > > Research Professor
> > > edinburgh college of art
> > > s.biggs at eca.ac.uk
> > > www.eca.ac.uk
> > > www.eca.ac.uk/circle/
> > > 
> > > simon at littlepig.org.uk
> > > www.littlepig.org.uk
> > > AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number
> SC009201
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Pall Thayer
> > artist/teacher
> > http://www.this.is/pallit
> > http://130.208.220.190
> > http://130.208.220.190/nuharm
> > http://130.208.220.190/panse
> > 
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