[-empyre-] Creativity as a social ontology

Johannes Birringer Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk
Sun Aug 1 03:57:20 EST 2010

hello all

the weekend has just started so i hope discussion need not end,
or at least I might want to thank a recent post by Scott in which he responded so thoughtfully to some questions about creativity/creative writing and e-literature/publishing, as well as the specific question
about why there might be number of "reasons the creative writing system has  not yet warmed to digital writing"  .  

I think your response was quite persuasive;  and hearing from Tim's summer school of Criticism and Theory added to this picture. 

Scott suggests
Within the university, it might make more sense for digital 
writing to be practiced in other environments, third spaces that share 
characteristics of literary studies, creative writing, design, 
computer programming, and visual and conceptual art. Hopefully that 
third space will evolve.....>>

this is interesting; do you see any such programs anywhere? or do you have  any hope for such programs anywhere? given what Patricia Zimmerman just refered to as the "retro-activist seances summoning legacy articulations"?

 The interdisciplinary drive seems to have largely failed, as far as i can tell; departments and schools (say, sciences and humanities) are talking to each other but rarely invest in joint research labs or MA/post graduate programs in creativity, and if som they tend to be focussed (say on music technology/creativity).  Maybe I am wrong, perhaps in your experience they are emerging everywhere, and growing. But one suspects that universities, or museums or most curators would find it hard to devolve to dark matter and quantum creativity.  In your scenario, Scott, digital writing/performance indeed would seem be nurtured well in an environment where writing and performing involve computer programming, design, film, sonic arts and visual/conceptual art.   I should have said, involve people who can teach programming, design, film, editing, sonic art, visual art, and facilities to create testbeds.  This would be a university "workshop" I'd enjoy teaching in or learning from.  So far I don't see that happening (at universities i know); literature or creative writing students don't receive software /coding tuition &  rarely get encouraged to hang out with computer engineering students. The computer science students don't seem to come across the river to experiment with performance writing although i have seen design students potter with interactive interfaces involving a kind of detective story (with found film material/film clips).  oh, here  i meant to ask whether Chris could elaborate on "terrible performance and terrible theater look very different".?

Has Furtherfield offered workshops in universities and high schools?  or are there practical and working relations that happen between non profit arts organizations and the arts and science research fields that some here may comment on please? 

Tim says:
>>Just lack week I listened to a faculty member at SCT lament that too much attention is being given in the academy to the "entertainment" of creative writing, performance, and the arts. >>

this is a good one. 
Did you attract a lot of participants to come to the Cornell to experiment with the "entertainment"?  
could you also please elaborate on why you think the "now traditional forms of shaped discourse such as the listserv (empyre?) and new media sites such as CTHEORY ..."  have explosive power?
exploding what?

with regards

Johannes Birringer

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