[-empyre-] conditionaldesign.org/manifesto/ (2)

Yann Le Guennec y at x-arn.org
Sat May 15 07:34:13 EST 2010

on another side, you can, and are free to, write and say that 0=1 and/or 
  white=black , etc , and doing that, you add some value to entropy in 
the global meaning system, according to the fact that entropy measures 
the quantity of uncertainty in this system. the result is that we are 
not able to know anymore what is white and what is black, that all 
binary encoding isn't functional anymore, etc... but it also opens the 
doors for quantum systems thinking.



Some more questions about http://www.conditionaldesign.org/manifesto/

"Our work focuses on processes rather than products: things that adapt
to their environment, emphasize change and show difference."

I understand, when you use the expression "rather than" that you make a
strong difference, a frontier 'a priori' between a process and a
product. What is the the nature of this frontier? And in your approach,
how do you see for example a "service": as a process or as a product?

If by "product", you mean an object, a kind of static thing in a
structure, then, from a systems thinking approach, saying that "The
process is the product." ... is just a confusion between what is static
and what is dynamic in your systems.

Reas / Reas.com a écrit :
> Hello,
> This is my first post on the list. I want to first thank Susanne for the 
> introduction and invitation to discuss the topic.
> I wasn't aware of Luna and Edo's work and their Conditional Design 
> Manifesto until today. Now, I'm an enthusiastic fan after following the 
> link from their bios: http://www.conditionaldesign.org/manifesto/
> I'd like to question them about the emphasis on Logic in the manifesto.
> In discussing Process in a broad sense, I see the balance between Logic 
> and the opposite of Logic as the interesting component. Yet, the 
> manifesto seems to deny everything except the purely rational? This 
> ignores so much potential. Does intuition and variation only come 
> through the Input? What am I missing?
> Casey
> On May 13, 2010, at 9:30 AM, susanne jaschko wrote:
>> Hello,
>> today we welcome some more invited guests to our discussion that is 
>> slowly evolving. With Luna Maurer, Aymeric Mansoux, Casey E.B. Reas 
>> and Isabelle Jenniches we asked a number of artists participating in 
>> the exhibition Process as Paradigm to join the debate. Edo Paulus 
>> works together with Luna Maurer as Conditional Design. And Raquel 
>> Renno is currently collaborating with LABoral and the UOC - University 
>> of Cataluyna to set up a blog that will also feature the exhibition.
>> Here are some brief biographical notes of our new guests. Please 
>> excuse if they are not complete -- we wanted to focus on their 
>> (artistic) practice.
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> Luna Maurer
>> Trained as a graphic designer, Luna Maurer works as an independent 
>> designer in the field of interaction and media design in Amsterdam. 
>> Her interests lie in technological developments that transform our 
>> media into fluid digital environments, and finding design solutions 
>> for it. Central to the work of Luna Maurer is the theme of 'control'. 
>> This leads to design methods in which
>> designing the environments for visualisation or creation of content is 
>> more important than designing the end product.
>> http://www.poly-luna.com
>> http://www.conditionaldesign.org
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> Aymeric Mansoux
>> Aymeric Mansoux and Marloes de Valk are an artist duo whose main 
>> project has been Metabiosis (2006-2008), a series of projects 
>> investigating narration through digital processes and machine theatre. 
>> Anthropomorphism is used to create a tension between fantasies about 
>> computers and artificial life, and the fact that these are simply 
>> projections of our ideas and thoughts onto objects.
>> http://pzwart.wdka.nl/networked-media/2010/01/02/aymeric-mansoux/
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> C.E.B. Reas focuses on defining processes and translating them into 
>> images. In 2001 Reas initiated Processing.org with Ben Fry. Processing 
>> is an open source programming language and environment for creating 
>> images, animation, and interaction. He is a professor in the 
>> department of Design Media Arts at the University of California, Los 
>> Angeles.
>> http://reas.com
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> Isabelle Jenniches
>> In her studio practice she appropriates online cameras(webcams) to 
>> create monumental composite images.
>> http://www.9nerds.com/isabelle
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> Edo Paulus
>> Edo Paulus is specialised in the use of generative processes for the 
>> creation of sound-installations, automatic music-generating software, 
>> live music performances and (interactive) music for imagery (website / 
>> computer game / film). Currently, he is  incorporating the natural 
>> dynamics of human behavior into processes. In 2008 Edo has joined with 
>> Luna Maurer, Roel Wouters and Jonathan Puckey to write the Conditional 
>> Design Manifesto. It promotes the idea of designing conditions rather 
>> than end results.
>> http://www.eude.nl
>> http://www.conditionaldesign.org
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> Raquel Renno
>> She is consultant teacher at Art and Technology courses at UOC 
>> (Universitat Oberta de Catalunya), researcher at CNPQ and also member 
>> of art group in digital art research at ZZZINC (Barcelona, Spain). She 
>> has experience in communication, focusing on digital arts and urban 
>> spaces, acting on the following subjects: communication, urban spaces, 
>> digital culture, visual arts and
>> advertising.
>> http://www.raquelrenno.com
>> Greetings,
>> Susanne
>> -- 
>> susanne jaschko
>> www.sujaschko.de
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