[-empyre-] who owns the city? (Istanbul)

Ana Valdés agora158 at gmail.com
Fri Sep 23 10:58:06 EST 2011


Turkish cuisine eaten by the Caliphs was one of the most sofisticated
kitchens in the world :)
I was in Istanbul last year during the last week of Ramadan and we ate an
Eid menu in a posh restaurang in an island, magnificent.
Ana

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:31 AM, Simon Biggs <simon at littlepig.org.uk> wrote:

> One evening we went to a restaurant (Aristane) that specialises in
> recreating or reinterpreting Ottoman cuisine. The dishes were dated (1473,
> 1620, 1701, etc). It wasn't cheap (eg: by UK standards it was approaching
> Michelin prices) but the food was fascinating, complex and in some instances
> astounding. If you are into serious cooking this would have pleased you. It
> was also out from the centre, quite a taxi ride. It was worth it. Memorable.
> Not a kebab in sight (there was a dish called a kebab - but it wasn't).
>
> best
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 22 Sep 2011, at 08:02, davin heckman wrote:
>
> > On a more mundane level, my friends and I went to dinner at a kebap
> > house, the first one in Istanbul.  And, as we enjoyed the meal, they
> > mentioned that there was a downside to kebap restaurants, and that was
> > that they were delicious, inexpensive, and hearty....  but that they
> > were crowding out the Ottoman cuisine, with all of its widely varied
> > flavors and laborious techniques.  They then added that the
> > traditional food of Istanbul was the refinement of many years of
> > hybridization, reflecting the general uneasiness of change, modernity,
> > and cosmopolitanism.  It was a regionally specific version of the
> > debates about fast food culture (convenience, taste, expense), but one
> > that I could very easily relate to, but never would have even noticed
> > had I not been staying with Turkish friends.
> >
> > Davin
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I was there a week only but all ppl I met (Turks everyone) told me they
> felt
> >> the "turkization" and the erasing of the Byzantine past, very well
> related
> >> in the book "From the Holy Mountain", by William Dalrymple.
> >> He did a trip between the monasteries in Syria, Palestina and Turkey and
> saw
> >> the intentionality of the erasing of all traces of former cultures.
> >> Did you enter the Hagia Sofia? Crumbling away with zero maintenance...
> >> Ana
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Michel Bauwens <
> michel at p2pfoundation.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> hi Ana, just wondering why you feel 'all the remnants of the past are
> >>> crumbling away' ? On the contrary, I feel the successive layers of
> history
> >>> are very much alive, and also the mixity of the population and the
> >>> neighborhoods
> >>> , with so many recent first-generation immigrants from the rural
> Anatolian
> >>> countryside, represent quite a mixture of temporalities, etc ... very
> unlike
> >>> western europe, where only the buildings remain ... extented families
> and
> >>> village cooperative solidarity also remain realities, as far as I could
> >>> ascertain from speaking with Turkish friends (I gave a lecture to an
> >>> all-turkish audience yesterday)
> >>>
> >>> Michel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:36 AM, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I am bit curious about how did the people who travelled to Istanbul
> for
> >>>> the first time experienced the city itself, Turkey and all the
> >>>> contradictions and the multiple layers of meaning residing in this old
> city
> >>>> where all the remnants of it's past are crumbling away. As you know
> many
> >>>> Turks want to be a part of Europe and join the EC, but many others
> want keep
> >>>> the country's isolation.
> >>>> Ana
> >>>>
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> >>>> long to return.
> >>>> — Leonardo da Vinci
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> Simon Biggs
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