[-empyre-] Before the Law / control and cutting, stripped naked
damon001 at umn.edu
Sun Oct 28 11:45:19 EST 2012
1670s, perhaps from Fr. pénis or directly from L. penis "penis," earlier
"tail," from PIE *pes-/*pesos- "penis" (cf. Skt. pasas-, Gk. peos,
posthe "penis," probably also O.E. fæsl "progeny, offspring," O.N.
fösull, Ger. Fasel "young of animals, brood"). The proper plural is
penes. The adjective is penial. In psychological writing, penis envy is
attested from 1924.
pain from /kwei/, to pay or atone
penis from /pes/, tail...
On 10/27/12 8:22 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
> I know this is obvious to say, but I wonder if one goes back to
> Indo-European roots, if there might not be a relationship between PIE
> and penis? Certainly in the confused male world of psychoanalytics,
> the penis figures heavily in pain; one only has to think of Bob
> Flanagan (and others) again. -
> - Alan
> On Sat, 27 Oct 2012, Maria Damon wrote:
>> pain, n. late 13c., "punishment," especially for a crime; also
>> one feels when hurt, opposite of pleasure," from O.Fr. peine
>> woe, suffering, punishment, Hell's torments" (11c.), from L. poena
>> "punishment, penalty, retribution, indemnification" (in Late Latin also
>> "torment, hardship, suffering"), from Gk. poine "retribution, penalty,
>> quit-money for spilled blood," from PIE *kwei- "to pay, atone,
>> (see penal). The earliest sense in English survives in phrase on pain of
>> death. "Pain" seems to be related thus to "pay," and remorse, or its
>> display, is intimately related to concepts of justice and retribution.
>> Public displays of screaming penitence under torture, in
>> Europe, and current media coverage of trials in which the faces and
>> of the defendants are scrutinized for signs of remorse...which are
>> in consideration of a just penalty... this idea of paying with
>> emotion, how
>> does it tie in with empathy?
>> On 10/27/12 4:45 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>> There's also the other Goffman book, Stigma, which is relevant
>> and excellent.
>> I remember one oddity during the Vietnam war - there was an
>> oddly apolitical stance, I think, among performance artists in
>> the US; one could watch an Acconci piece, for example, and read
>> political action into it, but it wasn't overt; what I remember
>> in conversation with him was mostly discussions about art which
>> was emerging out of modernism, but was still bound by a rather
>> linear idea of success, style, and progress.
>> - Alan
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