[-empyre-] about Brooke's post

adam adam at flossmanuals.net
Mon May 27 10:30:51 EST 2013


hi

Your post is very interesting Gaby. I work as a facilitator of 
collaborative knowledge production and was really amazed when talking to 
a dance choreographer how much the two had in common. It struck me very 
deeply.

If you had a moment it would be very interesting to hear a little more 
about what you think the students dont understand about the process and 
any strategies to get them to appreciate more what they are gaining from 
it...

adam



On 05/23/2013 10:22 AM, Gabriela VargasCetina wrote:
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> Dear all,
>
> I am enjoying this discussion very much.  What I know of Brooke's work
> is very inspiring, and it is difficult to see how the scale or her
> projects would make them manageable by a single person, so the question
> group / individual becomes very relevant.
>
> I am an anthropologist and we have pretty much the same problems you
> have all been describing: the humanities and social sciences train
> students to work individually, and not together with other people.
> Furthermore, it is very difficult to get an anthropologist to work with
> others from mixed training, including mathematicians and artists.  I
> have been allowed by our Faculty of Anthropology to put together courses
> where students have to dance or perform their theoretical concepts, or
> design anthropologically-meaningful websites using theories derived from
> fiction, always in teams.  However, many of my colleagues (especially at
> other universities) think this is all bizarre and nonsensical, and even
> the students think that they do not develop 'useful skills' in my
> courses.  And yes, like art students, as per Ana's comment, anthropology
> students today are being told they should find ways to 'market'
> themselves to corporations, individually, and follow instructions
> instead of questioning the world.  There is the job market problem,
> though: where will graduates from anthropology find employment, other
> than at the local branches of multi-national corporations?  I don't have
> any answers, but the fact that the questions are so difficult is sad and
> troubling.
>
> Gaby Vargas-Cetina
> Facultad de Ciencias Antropologicas
> Universidad Autonoma de Yucatan
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> On 5/22/13 4:43 PM, Ana Valdés wrote:
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>> Brooke I loved your rethoric question:
>>
>> I teach collaboration too and just a few days ago during final
>> presentations saw the power of bringing people together who do not know
>> each other well -- or at all-- for a common cause or, as Paul notes, shared
>> agendas. I pair groups of students to make media work for non-profit
>> organizations in Westchester, a pro-bono approach with a participatory
>> design bent. But I guess I am left wondering why collaboration is to this
>> day is still seen as unusual or something special in art practice and art
>> education and not the modus operandi? Now we are going to study
>> individuality ... the methods of and reasons for working alone!!
>>
>> I agree totally with you and wonder why all artist educations
>> are headed to educate artists as "entrepreneurs", as they were
>>
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>> heads of an unipersonal enterprise with only them as contracted.
>> I think that's the problem when you try to create the idea
>> artists and writers are "professions" as doctors, podologists,
>>
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>> architects, dentists or other.
>> The writing educations grow as swamps, the "creative writing" is now
>> an accepted part of the curriculum in many of the world's universities
>>
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>> but do we have seen the growing of a talented writing group
>> of people equivalent to all who are being educated as writers or
>> do we see the same amount of people writing without any
>>
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>> academical education?
>> My point is: we are evolving from the concept the artist or the writer
>> as gifted by God and part of an elite to another myth:
>> the artist or writer as part of a corporation, skilling them in
>>
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>> selling of their own works, marketing it and publishing it.
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>> I think collaboration is nearly mandatory today if you want to make
>> changes and leave a trace in the world we live into.
>>
>>
>> Ana
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