[-empyre-] about Brooke's post

adam adam at flossmanuals.net
Mon May 27 10:30:51 EST 2013


Your post is very interesting Gaby. I work as a facilitator of 
collaborative knowledge production and was really amazed when talking to 
a dance choreographer how much the two had in common. It struck me very 

If you had a moment it would be very interesting to hear a little more 
about what you think the students dont understand about the process and 
any strategies to get them to appreciate more what they are gaining from 


On 05/23/2013 10:22 AM, Gabriela VargasCetina wrote:
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> Dear all,
> I am enjoying this discussion very much.  What I know of Brooke's work
> is very inspiring, and it is difficult to see how the scale or her
> projects would make them manageable by a single person, so the question
> group / individual becomes very relevant.
> I am an anthropologist and we have pretty much the same problems you
> have all been describing: the humanities and social sciences train
> students to work individually, and not together with other people.
> Furthermore, it is very difficult to get an anthropologist to work with
> others from mixed training, including mathematicians and artists.  I
> have been allowed by our Faculty of Anthropology to put together courses
> where students have to dance or perform their theoretical concepts, or
> design anthropologically-meaningful websites using theories derived from
> fiction, always in teams.  However, many of my colleagues (especially at
> other universities) think this is all bizarre and nonsensical, and even
> the students think that they do not develop 'useful skills' in my
> courses.  And yes, like art students, as per Ana's comment, anthropology
> students today are being told they should find ways to 'market'
> themselves to corporations, individually, and follow instructions
> instead of questioning the world.  There is the job market problem,
> though: where will graduates from anthropology find employment, other
> than at the local branches of multi-national corporations?  I don't have
> any answers, but the fact that the questions are so difficult is sad and
> troubling.
> Gaby Vargas-Cetina
> Facultad de Ciencias Antropologicas
> Universidad Autonoma de Yucatan
> On 5/22/13 4:43 PM, Ana Valdés wrote:
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>> Brooke I loved your rethoric question:
>> I teach collaboration too and just a few days ago during final
>> presentations saw the power of bringing people together who do not know
>> each other well -- or at all-- for a common cause or, as Paul notes, shared
>> agendas. I pair groups of students to make media work for non-profit
>> organizations in Westchester, a pro-bono approach with a participatory
>> design bent. But I guess I am left wondering why collaboration is to this
>> day is still seen as unusual or something special in art practice and art
>> education and not the modus operandi? Now we are going to study
>> individuality ... the methods of and reasons for working alone!!
>> I agree totally with you and wonder why all artist educations
>> are headed to educate artists as "entrepreneurs", as they were
>> heads of an unipersonal enterprise with only them as contracted.
>> I think that's the problem when you try to create the idea
>> artists and writers are "professions" as doctors, podologists,
>> architects, dentists or other.
>> The writing educations grow as swamps, the "creative writing" is now
>> an accepted part of the curriculum in many of the world's universities
>> but do we have seen the growing of a talented writing group
>> of people equivalent to all who are being educated as writers or
>> do we see the same amount of people writing without any
>> academical education?
>> My point is: we are evolving from the concept the artist or the writer
>> as gifted by God and part of an elite to another myth:
>> the artist or writer as part of a corporation, skilling them in
>> selling of their own works, marketing it and publishing it.
>> I think collaboration is nearly mandatory today if you want to make
>> changes and leave a trace in the world we live into.
>> Ana
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