[-empyre-] empyre Digest, Vol 111, Issue 5

Florian Cramer flrncrmr at gmail.com
Mon Feb 10 08:49:29 EST 2014


I'm taking great issue with this summary of my text. It is greatly
distorted. If you had read it carefully, you would have seen that it
actually refers to postcolonialism.

Btw., your categorical split between "digital" and "embodied" knowledge is
as Cartesian and Western as I can get. What's even worse, by attributing
the latter to non-Western culture, it's producing a highly stereotypical
image of Non-Western cultures and systems of knowledge. I recommend to read
up, among others, on Ron Eglash's ethnomathematics (or any history of
mathematics, for that matter).


On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 10:03 PM, micha cárdenas <mmcarden at usc.edu> wrote:

> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
> Thanks for an interesting discussion topic this month!
> I agree with your assessment that this limited configuration of the
> post-digital is already divorced from any real politics of difference or
> antagonism and so yes it is similar to relational aesthetics. In contrast,
> my own formulation of the post digital, which I presented at the
> Transmediale phd symposium in 2012 is centered in queer and trans women of
> color's political and aesthetic practices. The horizon for the post-digital
> isn't hipsters, reddit and google, as in Florian Cramer's essay "What is
> post-digital?", it is a reconsideration of thought and communication
> outside of the bounds of western conceptions of knowledge and rationality.
> You can read an essay version of what I presented at the #BWPWAP
> transmediale symposium here, where I list a few examples of aesthetic works
> that may be understood as post-digital:
> http://median.newmediacaucus.org/caa-conference-edition-2013/local-autonomy-networks-post-digital-networks-post-corporate-communications/
> (a short version is in the 2013 edition of APRJA:
> http://www.aprja.net/?page_id=46)
> and a video of me giving this as a keynote at the Dark Side of the Digital
> conference is here:
> http://transreal.org/talks-and-interviews/
> The writers for the post-digital research issue of APRJA articulate
> conceptions of politics that completely fail to address the importance of
> moving on from western systems of knowledge that are embodied in the
> digital, which is unsurprising considering their own apparent subject
> positions. For example, in The Archive and the Repertoire, Diana Taylor has
> written extensively on the ways that colonial regimes insisted on writing
> as the only legitimate form of knowledge as a way to disempower colonized
> subjects, and digital systems of storage reproduce that hierarchy by
> eschewing embodied and emotional knowledge that is not reproducible through
> digital media.
> thank you,
>   micha
> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Michael Dieter <M.J.Dieter at uva.nl> wrote:
>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>> Something else I want to ask about.
>> This is the definition that the Post-Digital Research group settled on
>> for their publication:
>> "Post-digital, once understood as a critical reflection of "digital"
>> aesthetic immaterialism, now describes the messy and paradoxical
>> condition of art and media after digital technology revolutions.
>> "Post-digital" neither recognizes the distinction between "old" and
>> "new" media, nor ideological affirmation of the one or the other. It
>> merges "old" and "new", often applying network cultural
>> experimentation to analog technologies which it re-investigates and
>> re-uses. It tends to focus on the experiential rather than the
>> conceptual. It looks for DIY agency outside totalitarian innovation
>> ideology, and for networking off big data capitalism. At the same
>> time, it already has become commercialized."
>> I'm curious about the emphasis here on the experiential, rather than
>> the conceptual. Why emphasize one over the other in this way? What
>> works or practices did the group have in mind? In a weird way, this
>> description actually reminds me of something like relational
>> aesthetics.
>> --
>> Michael Dieter
>> Lecturer
>> Media Studies
>> The University of Amsterdam
>> Turfdraagsterpad 9
>> 1012 XT Amsterdam
>> http://home.medewerker.uva.nl/m.j.dieter/
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