[-empyre-] sample from today

Maria Damon damon001 at umn.edu
Wed Nov 12 12:12:08 EST 2014

Peter Lamborn Wilson
sorry to be pedantic :-)

On 11/11/14 5:28 PM, Ana Valdes wrote:
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> I read Hakim Bey (William Lambert Wilson) at the beginning of the net 
> when Autonomedia started and we all believed the myth "information 
> want to be free". He was a big inspiration for me as well and I think 
> his theory of the TAZ, temporary autonomous zones, is an interesting 
> contribution to a new geography based more on the imaginary than on 
> political borders.
> Ana
> Enviado desde Samsung Mobile
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> De: Murat Nemet-Nejat
> Fecha:11/11/2014 18:22 (GMT-03:00)
> A: soft_skinned_space
> Asunto: Re: [-empyre-] sample from today
> Ana, well not always. Remember Conrad's /The Secret Agent/? But 
> anarchist had less power than institutional power  to wreak 
> destruction and, as far as I know, none of them was a suicide bomber, 
> the tool that gives the modern terrorist the ability to influence 
> minds far beyond their numbers.
> Interestingly, Hakim Bey regards himself an anarchist and now lives 
> some place, I think, upstate New York in "retirement." His books on 
> Sufism, its subversive position within Islam, had a great influence on 
> my work.
> I always wandered the adoption of "Hakim Bey" as a /nom de guerre 
> /since Hakim Bey is the name of the uniformed Turkish police officer, 
> played by Orson Wells, in the film /A Cask for Demetrius/.
> Ciao,
> Murat
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:agora158 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     I had a discussion with Murray Bookchin once, he visited us, the
>     anarchist collective I lived with at that time, in Stockholm. We
>     translated into Swedish his book about Ecology. He was a true
>     individualist anarchist, he was very suspicious about us, about
>     how we manage to live together work together and spend free time
>     together :)
>     He defended the right to wear weapon and to defend himself against
>     anyone wanting to harm him. For us his these about citizen militie
>     and armed vigilantes to watch the autogestionated societies was
>     unthinkable.
>     You are totally right, the anarchists nihilists from the end of
>     the 19th century and beginning to the 20th century were considered
>     today's terrorists :) But their agenda was less bloody ;(
>     Ana
>     On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat
>     <muratnn at gmail.com <mailto:muratnn at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>         Ana, in the United States, the Libertarians have an idealized
>         version of 19th century America, a De Toquevillean paradise,
>         where "freedom" prevailed. In my view, all these are
>         different, but very related, expressions of alienation. What
>         is the cause of these splintered explosions of violence? At
>         the heart, it seems to me, is the fall of the Soviet Union. In
>         the preceding bipolar world, where there was an overarching
>         threat of a world war/nuclear explosion, these alienations
>         (always there) were suppressed, very often with the tacit
>         consent of the governed. After the fall, the overarching,
>         unimaginable, maximal threat gone, the tacit contract of the
>         cold war is gone. Previously suppressed (or unheard) voices
>         begin to speak with potentially, often violent, centrifugal
>         force. Ironically, a lot of the violence, which the majority
>         of us experience virtually, is primarily the result of
>         increased freedom; second, the exponential advance in digital
>         technology that makes these expressions--often of alienating
>         violence we choose to call terror(ism)--visible to us. One
>         should remember "terrorist" is a word (an ism) coined by
>         politicians starting in the 1970's.
>         I wonder how "terrorist" is different from "anarchist" which
>         was the word of choice a hundred years ago. Do they, in subtle
>         ways, mean different things? Perhaps, "anarchist" (along with
>         had, in 19th century, a philosophical structure underpinning
>         it. Some political thinkers/actors openly embraced it (read
>         /The Parisian Arcades/ or /The Possessed/). Whereas, in our
>         day, no one, no group embraces the term terrorist; but tries
>         to rationalize it, often calling the opposing party the real
>         terrorist. In that sense, terrorism is a violence with no
>         human face, no intellectual rational; it is a convenient term
>         for those actors of "rationalized violence" (states or
>         would-be states) to distinguish themselves from it.
>         We all in this thread have been asking how an individual,
>         particularly as an artist or a thinker or an actor, can react
>         in the face of the pervasive omni-visible, often virtual but
>         potentially actual violence. In my view, the best an
>         individual can do is to analyze and develop a _consciousness_
>         of the machinations of this violence, the methods, the
>         techniques it uses to impose itself on the rest of us.
>         Ciao,
>         Murat
>         On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Ana Valdés
>         <agora158 at gmail.com <mailto:agora158 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>             Thank you Murat! I feel that the apocalyptical utopies
>             from Boko Haram and ISIS trying to shape their own
>             worldorder are signs of our time. ISIS is invoking the
>             Caliphate, the go back to Al Andalous, a kind of golden
>             age where Paradise loomed with it's fruits and rewards.
>             Boko Haram want, regarding to their narrative, go back to
>             the Africa from before colonization, a continent where
>             mighty empires lived in harmony with the Earth.
>             The fact they impose their new order with terror and
>             harshness is a kind of symbolical and pagane cosmogony,
>             they want take distance from "our" gods, for them
>             education in Western terms is an abomination, the suicide
>             bomber who killed himself yesterday killing 50 students is
>             a true representant of their philosophy or beliefs. For us
>             is education normalization, progress, development,
>             enlightenment, for them is education a deadly sin.
>             Ana
>             On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat
>             <muratnn at gmail.com <mailto:muratnn at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>                 Ana, the "kind of new structure without visible
>                 heads[, a] new kind of feudal contract... inhabited by
>                 people without voices" is actually exactly what the
>                 largest modern states are striving for, China, the
>                 United States, Russia: to give enough food and
>                 trinkets and spectacles and popular wars to the
>                 population so that, at least passively, they support
>                 you, always the implicit threat of violence
>                 ("punishment" or withdrawal of goods) against those
>                 who want "to have a voice." This is a kind of
>                 "benevolent feudalism," la familia of an idealized
>                 Godfather-like Mafia. In the United States, the
>                 financial institutions and a small number of
>                 corporations are our invisible citizens, who
>                 supposedly, as "job creators," are feeding the rest of
>                 us and can keep us at least passively happy..
>                 One should not forget the place of digital technology
>                 which, it is becoming progressively clearer, is the
>                 tool that enables the concentration of power and
>                 wealth (therefore, the production of supportive
>                 mythologies) in the hands of fewer and fewer people.
>                 Ciao,
>                 Murat
>                 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Ana Valdés
>                 <agora158 at gmail.com <mailto:agora158 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>                     Thank you Gabriela for your interesting
>                     description of the non-violent answer to the state
>                     violence installed in Mexico. I was in Yucatan
>                     when I did my field work in social anthropology
>                     and met many zapatistas and indingeous working in
>                     the caracoles, the free zones kept by the
>                     zapatistas at that time.
>                     It was same years before I was in Gaza and it
>                     strucked me Gaza and Mexico and Italy shared a
>                     common denominator: a weak state left the citizens
>                     vulnerable and frustrated and the field was
>                     overtaken for organizations who cared for the
>                     everyday life. It explained how the drug cartels
>                     when the Colombian Pablo Escobar was alive cared
>                     for the citizens in the small towns and got a lot
>                     of support from the people.
>                     In Mexico it was the zapatistas who built up a
>                     feeling of community and started to autogestionate
>                     or selfgovern the territories abandonned by the state.
>                     In Gaza was Hamas who took care of the police and
>                     the daycare.
>                     Hakim Bey explains it with his TAZ, Temporary
>                     Autonomous Zone, where he uses the examples of the
>                     camorra in Italy and the zapatistas as well to
>                     explain territories separating themselves from the
>                     central state, far from them, a kind of new
>                     structure without visible heads. A new kind of
>                     feudal contract. The "Non Places" in Marc Augés
>                     terms, in the middle of nowhere, inhabitated by
>                     the people without voices.
>                     Ana
>                     On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 1:51 AM, Gabriela
>                     Vargas-Cetina <gabyvargasc at prodigy.net.mx
>                     <mailto:gabyvargasc at prodigy.net.mx>> wrote:
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>                         Dear all,
>                         Thank you for this month's discussion and
>                         thank you for bringing in what is happening in
>                         Mexico to this very difficult but very needed
>                         conversation. Here in Mexico the news have
>                         been emotionally draining for most everyone,
>                         and now that our President has left to go to
>                         China for diplomatic talks, many Mexicans are
>                         asking for his resignation.  The newspapers
>                         have been commenting here in Yucatan how
>                         people even from the wealthier strata of
>                         regional society are going to the marches and
>                         protests over the murder of the students.  I
>                         guess we are all trying to perform out our
>                         grieving in some way, collectively, so as to
>                         feel safer and feel we do have control over
>                         our spaces and lives. A very important thing
>                         that is happening is that most everyone is
>                         chanting repeatedly "no more violence" and "no
>                         to violence": Apparently the burning of the
>                         door of the National Palace was done by a
>                         soldier from the Mexican army in order to
>                         justify the intervention of the police against
>                         the crowd of protesters; at least that is what
>                         even the major newspapers say.
>                         I would like to suggest here that the
>                         performance of violence and violent
>                         performances are now giving way to the
>                         performance of non-violence, but this is
>                         arguably a different kind of performed
>                         violence. The installations using empy chairs,
>                         cards, mementos and photos of the students,
>                         public performances of those marching throwing
>                         themselves to the ground and remaining
>                         motionless for many minutes, the holding of
>                         signs on cardboard or cloth, and the chants
>                         hostile to the government are all part of
>                         so-called non-violent demostrations, but they
>                         are in fact violent, and they are meant to
>                         shake our government officials and public
>                         peace keepers to the bones. I am not sure
>                         these tacticts are working, since neither our
>                         politicians nor the rest of the world seem to
>                         pay any attention or be in the least
>                         disturbed, but they are bringing about a new,
>                         publically-constructed collective
>                         understanding of non-violent protest. And it
>                         is also a way to re-construct some feeling of
>                         being safe.
>                         I find it interesting that the collective
>                         performance of non-violence is meant as a
>                         violent act, and that it is expected to stop
>                         the physical violence of the killings and
>                         forced disappearances that sadly mark everyday
>                         life today in much of Mexico.  To my mind, it
>                         is a reinvention of passive aggression, this
>                         time in collective forms.  But all in all,
>                         perhaps it is a good step in a good direction.
>                         Thanks again for this discussion.
>                         Gabriela Vargas-Cetina
>                         Merida, Yucatan, Mexico
>                         -- 
>                         http://antropuntodevista.blogspot.mx
>                         On 11/10/14, 4:19 PM, Ana Valdés wrote:
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>>                         Maybe Mexico is too near the US to be worth
>>                         some alert in Google? :(
>>                         Ana
>>                         On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Diana Taylor
>>                         <diana.taylorny at gmail.com
>>                         <mailto:diana.taylorny at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>                             Yes of course you did-- I was referring
>>                             to the Google news feed reported by Alan.
>>                             I thought THAT was interesting in its
>>                             omission. Apologies if you thought I was
>>                             referring to your posts Ana!
>>                             Diana
>>                             Diana Taylor
>>                             University Professor
>>                             Professor of Performance Studies and
>>                             Spanish, NYU
>>                             Director, Hemispheric Institute of
>>                             Performance and Politics
>>                             On Nov 10, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Ana Valdés
>>                             <agora158 at gmail.com
>>                             <mailto:agora158 at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>>                             Some quick answers: Jon, check the
>>>                             archives of -empyre and you can read
>>>                             Alicia Migdal's quotations of Agamben
>>>                             and its Homo Sacer.
>>>                             And Diana, two days ago I posted to the
>>>                             list the links with live strem to the
>>>                             protests in Mexico when the news of the
>>>                             killed 43 students reached us. And
>>>                             Alicia and me discussed it in the list.
>>>                             Ana
>>>                             On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Jon
>>>                             McKenzie <jvmckenzie at wisc.edu
>>>                             <mailto:jvmckenzie at wisc.edu>> wrote:
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>>>                                 typographic t/error:  "the neutral
>>>                                 observer of vita contemplativa"
>>>                                 On Nov 10, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Jon
>>>                                 McKenzie <jvmckenzie at wisc.edu
>>>                                 <mailto:jvmckenzie at wisc.edu>> wrote:
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