[-empyre-] aslemeur, experimental 3D image, Moscow, July 2015

Horea Avram horea.avram at gmail.com
Thu Jul 16 02:30:43 AEST 2015

Hi Murat,

Your point is very interesting, indeed.
(Inter)subjectivity of the machines as a way to transgress the logical
systems (of the machines and of our own).

And thanks for the reading suggestions!


On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat <muratnn at gmail.com>

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> Hi Horea,
> Actually, we are agreeing. The human (in this instance the artist's)
> inability to control the medium (which the human mind may project as a
> failure of the machine} is exactly what is liberating. With no conscious
> will or intention of the user, it enables the user to transgress the
> logical system, exigencies the machines creates around itself. In one
> sense, the machine "makes a mistakes." In another sense, the machine has
> abilities beyond the human ones.
> I talk in detail about the importance of the "inefficiences" of the
> technological medium in the creation of art discussing 19th century
> photographic light in my book *The Peripheral Space of Photography (Los
> Angeles: *Green Integer, 2004*).* In an earlier discussion a few months
> ago here, I referred to an interview with the film maker Renoir where he
> talks about the importance of defects in technology in fil (and art in
> general). The interview is on utube.
> Ciao,
> Murat
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Horea Avram <horea.avram at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Hi Murat and Anne-Sarah,
>> I also believe that it is crucial to define what a "mistake" might be in
>> the context of machines or dispositifs.
>> Is the "technological being" (i.e. the machine/dispositif) able to make
>> mistakes? Or mistakes are entirely human being's responsibility?
>> I think mistakes are not liberation from machines (and here I disagree
>> with Murat), but they are intrinsic part of the machines.
>> And by mistakes I mean those technical shortcomings and imperfections in
>> the interaction process, those delays in what should be a real-time system,
>> those real-virtual registration and superimposition errors, especially in
>> Augmented Reality and ubiquitous computing devices and applications, etc.
>> These "mistakes", as I see them, not only permit the system function (of
>> course within an estimated and acceptable error range), but they can be
>> seen as a distinctive aesthetic aspect of the technological medium
>> (whatever that is). These flaws can be assumed (especially in artistic
>> projects) as the artist's "trace," or as the tool's "stroke" that can
>> reflect the attributes of the medium(s), the unique play between the
>> accuracy of the machine and our subjective actions, between the
>> transparency of the medium and its reflexive strategy (the flawless machine
>> vs. the subjective, "emotional" machine).
>> Isn't this an aspect of the intersubjectivity human-machine/dispositif?
>> Horea
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:27 PM, <aslemeur at free.fr> wrote:
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>>> Hi Murat
>>> so people here are reading extra messages... with links !
>>> good to know !!
>>> thank you for your note.
>>> I guess I have to define what is a 'mistake' :
>>> mistake in my understanding of how to program my interactive rules ?
>>> and more seemingly mistake in the eyes of the viewer...
>>> when the logic seems not logical 'enough'...
>>> I will read Cocteau again...
>>> Have a nice week,
>>> Anne-Sarah
>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>> De: "Murat Nemet-Nejat" <muratnn at gmail.com>
>>> À: "soft_skinned_space" <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>> Envoyé: Samedi 11 Juillet 2015 23:21:38
>>> Objet: Re: [-empyre-] aslemeur, experimental 3D image, Moscow, July 2015
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>>> Hi Anne-Sarah,
>>> Mistakes are liberation from machines. If you can make a machine make a
>>> mistake, it seems you are liberating yourself from it-- as Cocteau's
>>> infernal machine implies.
>>> Ciao,
>>> Murat
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 5:07 AM, <aslemeur at free.fr> wrote:
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