[-empyre-] detention vs movement violence
icontreras at cca.edu
Thu Feb 11 14:27:54 AEDT 2016
I appreciate the request to think about sexual violence as it pertains to
the encampments. For myself, I think of sexual and gender based violences
as direct results of colonial regime. Following people like Nicole
Guidotti, I think of the way she speaks of utterances as a way to discuss
how scholars "gloss over" certain facts pertaining to
sexualized/gendered/racialized/classed information when producing text.
That's obviously done within so many kinds of work, research, activism and
At the same time, I am intrigued ( I think that's the word I will use for
the moment) at how we are literally surfing all over the globe at the
moment in the conversation. This seems much to do with the topic at hand,
right? Talking about borders and immigration etc is certainly not a tight
container by all means. Not that we want it to be....
Lastly, I just wanted to add in regards to the number of companies
mentioned, it seems important to mention the various pipelines being
constructed. I think Genie and Dow Jones both have a role in that. Which to
further play connect the dots also made me think of Christina's mention of
the Cherokee peoples and while a different group but a number of the
pipelines throughout Canada mirroring the sexual assaults and femicide
throughout these lands. So I guess again in thinking about the limits or
lack of limits to thinking about borders i.e. when people are forcibly
created into being borderless is where I am left...
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Babak Fakhamzadeh <
babak.fakhamzadeh at gmail.com> wrote:
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> As far as I'm aware, there are no private drivers/actors in the Syria
> conflict. That is, the Syrian, US, Saudi Arabian, Turkish, Iranian and
> several Gulf states are the only ones paying to keep the conflict
> going. So, if the Haliburtons, or hardware providers, would be taxed
> in this context, all that would happen would, essentially, be each
> state taxing themselves.
> Sure, Halliburton and its successors have made huge profits,
> particularly in Iraq, but at a risk. Not so much for corporate
> Halliburton, but for the individual employees. There is no way but to
> have big risks come with big rewards, meaning that it's only
> economically expected for the Haliburtons of this world to make lots
> of money.
> I'm not defending either conflicts in Iraq or Syria from any angle.
> I'm only pointing out that 'solving' the problem is not that
> straightforward. Probably the main problem is not the Haliburtons or
> pick your favourite oil companies of this world, who simply,
> primarily, react to opportunity (see Cockburn's The Rise of the
> Islamic State,
> it's the political desire for influence and control.
> In the 'west', 'the people' might be able to have some meaningful
> influence on steering the course of their nations, in many other
> countries, this is not the case, leaving warmongering autocrats to do
> pretty much whatever they want, and for-profits to step in to the
> voids they create.
> Hence, the conflict in Syria and its consequences.
> But, how did the Gulf countries manage to not take in any Syrian
> refugees and get away with it?
> Babak Fakhamzadeh | babak.fakhamzadeh at gmail.com |
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> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Johannes it was not only me, the great majority of the Latinamerican
> refugees coming to Europe during the 70:s are today relatively integrated
> in Europe and many of them come back to South America and are today's
> ministers in different socialdemocrats governments.
> > I speak mostly of Chile and Uruguay.
> > My point is the clue to absorb refugees was to give them tools to be
> selfsufficient to teach them skills necessary to manage the challenges of a
> new life, languages, therapy for them surviving jail and torture, family
> reunification for them separated from their relatives needing support, a
> profession or a work.
> > The problem is the numbers today all the resources of wealthy welfare
> countries as Germany Norway Sweden Danmark Finland and France are strained
> to give huge amounts of refugees their bare needs it means shelter medical
> support and food it's not enough to grant the refugees a worthy life it's
> only a patch for their most immediate needs.
> > But countries as Greece or Hungary or Serbia are not able to deal with
> the huge waves of refugees pouring every day from warzones.
> > As I wrote in an ocassion here the only ones having huge profits from
> the wars are the manufacturers of weapons and the owners of parallel armies
> as Blackwater Haliburton Dupont and many others. A way to deal with the
> mounting cost of fleeing refugees should be apply big taxes to all
> companies dealing with weapons.
> > Let them pay the consequences of their unethical warmongery.
> > Ana
> > Den 10 feb 2016 18:19 skrev "Johannes Birringer" <
> Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk>:
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> >> what is "kinopolitics"?
> >> just wondering as the term (referring to kino/cinema)? was not clear to
> me when I think Ricardo
> >> first brought it up...
> >> unless there is a link here to what, I think, P.Sloterdijk once wrote
> as a critique
> >> "political kinetics”, kinetic movement of 20th century politics of
> speed and displacement,
> >> war machines, etc
> >> - i think in 1989 he even spoke of a kinetic inferno, but I doubt that
> at the time he
> >> could anticipate the current refugee migrations and displacements.
> >> thanks for your reply Isabelle, I need more time to reflect, as I think
> >> my question was really how the "camp" has been used as a metaphor or
> >> as a symbolic system by philosophers and that is not what we were
> >> talking about, and my confusion came from a sense of the romantic
> >> I felt you proposed vis à vis governmental / central policy of
> containment (which is not in fact
> >> quite true for Germany, I surmise, where regional administrations and
> help organizations
> >> in a distributed federal landscape need to take often their own
> initiatives for help?); Calais
> >> and Grande-Synthe at Dunkerque may be dfferent in that respect, but i
> visited facilties in the
> >> Saarland near a town where I grew up and managing help was done through
> a mix of
> >> local institutions and mini-NGOs, and provisions for sleep, care, food
> were not
> >> left to "Jungle" self administration and done cooperatively, I wonder
> actually what
> >> forms of governance or camp community formation happen under the
> >> and how different the anticipations or hopes may be (and Ana, your case
> back then surely
> >> sounds as if you had been very fortunate).
> >> I wonder whether there would be room here to also look at some of the
> incidents of
> >> sexual violence, puportedly committed by immigrant asylum seekers
> staying in Germany
> >> at the time of the criminal offenses (Cologne e.g.), and how such
> violence has been used
> >> now against migrants by the instrumentalizing political wings and press.
> >> regards
> >> Johannes Birringer
> >> dap-lab
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