[-empyre-] : Across borders and networks: migrants, asylum seekers, or refugee?

Babak Fakhamzadeh babak.fakhamzadeh at gmail.com
Wed Feb 17 10:01:11 AEDT 2016


That quote is actually popularly attributed to Stalin, but it seems
that it's unfounded (which does not mean it was Goebbels who said it).
Details:

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/21/death-statistic/



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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Ana Valdes <agora158 at gmail.com> wrote:
> The question was this particular Syrian boy the first one to drown in an European shore? He was the one which picture was taken by an photographer but what about the other ones the ones who died before the ones who dies now the ones who will die tomorrow.
> Goebbels said a dead Jew is a crime one hundred dead Jews are a massacre one million dead Jews are a statistic.
> How many dead children needs to change the rules and the world?
> Ana
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 16, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Babak Fakhamzadeh <babak.fakhamzadeh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>> An excellent question! (Also, it was a boy, not a girl, but that's not
>> too important.)
>>
>> Here's an article with the image:
>>
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese-artist-ai-weiwei-syrian-boy-aylan-kurdi-drowned-turkish-beach/
>>
>> To me, it seems Weiwei is looking for attention by trying to appear
>> relevant. And, because those who have a high profile are profiled
>> highly, because it was Weiwei who released this image, we know about
>> this.
>>
>> As someone (on Facebook? Twitter?) asked (paraphrasing): "Am I
>> supposed to be offended by this, or is this supposed to be high art?"
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>>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat <muratnn at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> What do you guys think of Ai Weiwei's photo reenacting in his own body the death of the three-year old Syrian girl washed on the Anatolian shore?
>>>
>>> Ciao,
>>> Murat
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Ian Paul <ianalanpaul at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
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>>>> While it's perhaps not so productive for us to say that borders and migrations are simply symptomatic of larger systems/histories, it's also insufficient to treat borders and migrations as discrete or autonomous objects of study. What is a border, after all, if not a particular way of articulating a relationship between territories, between bodies, between economies, etc.? This relationality, and all of the complexity it entails, should be what we're after.
>>>>
>>>> Ricardo cited "Escape Routes" in an earlier thread, and I think that text in particular could be useful for us in the sense that the authors approach borders and migrations in this multitudinous fashion: as material realities in the present that are also structured by epistemological, geological, political, ethical, and economic bordering(s) that seamlessly function alongside/within/through the border practices of nation states.
>>>>
>>>> I think the challenge in many ways for us is in understanding borders and migrations (and their networks) in their historical specificity, while also understanding how those specificities are (re)produced in much more expansive processes that both exceed and precede them. And so, how can we think of borders and migrations as being both cause and effect? Both agent and object? Things that both separate and tie together? We should be able to think of borders as being both productive and repressive, enabling certain forms of life while seeking to eradicate others. We should be able to think of migrations as being an expression of freedom and perhaps even poetry, while also being able to think of them as also at times being driven by necessity and survival. I want to be thinking on these topologies: freedom *and* survival, repression *and* production.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>      ~i
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Babak Fakhamzadeh <babak.fakhamzadeh at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> Hi Johannes,
>>>>>
>>>>> I like your musings, but you're putting up quite a list of potential
>>>>> discussion points. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Should we discuss the wars? Perhaps. But, what, then is in need of
>>>>> discussion? That is, to what extent is the current Syrian/Iraqi
>>>>> conflict open to interpretation? I doubt few of us on this list are
>>>>> fooled by western/American propaganda in relation to the sources of
>>>>> the conflict and most of us probably have a decent understanding of
>>>>> the actual players in the conflict. But, also, we're focussing on
>>>>> migration and refugees, not on the war, no?
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>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 2:41 AM, Ana Valdés <agora158 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>> Johannes I was deliberately in the use of the words callosity because my question is: do we really change a thing in the lives of the refugees or the migrants discussing the concept but not the roots? As Ian wrote we should maybe discuss the war itself or the inequalities. A discussion hands on is maybe the thing related in the first weeks travel to Calais and teach refugees English or computer skills or make theatre or dance with them write down their stories record their flight.
>>>>>> Ana
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skickat från min iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 15 feb 2016 kl. 20:56 skrev Johannes Birringer <Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk>:
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Header:  it actually would make sense to track back to opening statement for this month. For me, it raised many questions, for example what the 'networked existence' of a refugee or migrant or asylum seeker is meant to denote, in the question/ proposition? And Babak, Huub, Ricardo - do you not eloquently evoke a crisis of the from, not the to, the issue of why people are fleeing?   Have we discussed the wars?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, Ana, what would hands on discussion be for you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really appreciated all posts, and I found Christina's painting very powerful, maybe because I saw it on the  same day that someone, accidentally (and yes I despise superbowls and police Kettling/enclosures,  and huge movies that strive  to awe us, like The Revenant), sent me a mapping of the US in the 18th and 19th centuries of annexation and theft of millions of acres of native American lands, the map was created by Claudio Saunt, more about that mapping tomorrow. (and i hate the mumbling of native american languages in The Revenant).
>>>>>>> Today, I marvel at what Ana means by the callosity of poetry, is it callous or cynical to draw, to make dance, to write, to sing? and what exactly is political activism in the era of post democracy? What are border tools and apps that won't be available to the  migrant from Bolivia or Honduras making her way up to Mexico and then Texas? How long do your phones and laptop batteries last for the poetry to kick in? Would she are what you call her and definebher as, would we a voice here from the ones talked about?  And then, writers and researchers, at the limits of language (as Christina and Irina pointed out), artists, scholars and activists - what do we chat about here, then?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Johannes Birringer
>>>>>>>
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