[-empyre-] under the gun

Alan Sondheim sondheim at panix.com
Mon Nov 14 12:32:48 AEDT 2016

I'm hoping this goes to the list, since I believe I received it from the 
list, not from the cc?

I find " We don't want to discuss some very hard realities that exist on 
the ground. By "we" I mean specifically the kinds of liberal intellectuals 
and artists who inhabit this list." - because you assume that we don't 
understand those "hard realities" - whereas you really don't know what any 
of us, non-white or white, even Trump supporters, are going through, and 
that's part of the problem. The post is divisive, even though I agree with 
it. So I can say on another list I co-moderate, there is considerable 
hysteria, on Fb there is the same, and there are hard realities for many 
many of us - ranging from issues of Obamacare to sensing an approaching 
armageddon of forced exile. And many of us are protesting, are out there, 
are organizing, as much as anyone else.

_No one_ has been ready for this, and one of the heartening things at the 
demonstration yesterday was the call for unity, from people ranging from 
Muslims to Jews, Blacks to whites, all sorts of sexual orientations etc.

I will absolutely not apologize or accept the category of "liberal 
intellectuals who inhabit this list" - we're subscribers, and we subscribe 
to many many other lists and real-life organizations and practices; in 
other words, I don't see this as a totality - any nore than I see Trump 
supports as all poor uneducated whites. I'm not trying to sound 
antagonistic - I don't feel that way honestly, I'm just trying to get rid 
of labels and hopefully increase the understanding that many many many of 
us are under the gun, even whites - I'm thinking of some people I know who 
are worried about dying when the medications run out... I should also note 
being Jewish, I've been subject to hate crimes myself, etc. It's all 

Please, if you do have any suggestions, offer them. And hopefully we won't 
have censorship on this list. We do have to realize everyone's feelings 
are on edge, in every part of the country, and we have to learn to listen. 
At the same time we have to learn how to concretely oppose the bullying 
and hate crimes have have increased at least 300% in the past few weeks.


On Sun, 13 Nov 2016, empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au wrote:

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