[-empyre-] A poem is a small (or large) machine

Stirling Newberry stirling.newberry at gmail.com
Wed May 31 05:03:52 AEST 2017

One can tell this group of sonnets,  but eventually, that will be solved -
but a more interesting question is "Can a computer write  a sonnet which is
unique to be a computer?"  After all, the first question of the  computer
intelligence is "does it exist?",  and only secondarily,  "can it mimic
human intelligence?" Just as a human by studying a foreign language can
master the intricacies so that a poem s/he writes cannot be distinguished
from poems from native speakers.

(My name is Stirling Newberry,  and I am from Boston - and part of the
complex of Harvard/MIT people.  I will now go back to working on a paper
which includes a large section on Turning.  I was invited to join after
posting a missive on the change in writing styles The Sorcerer's
Apprentice: Lacunae in Fiction
<https://symbalitics.blogspot.com/2017/05/lacunae-in-fiction.html> )

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Margaret J Rhee <mrhee at uoregon.edu> wrote:

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> I would love to continue this thread about the poem is a small (or large)
> machine and WCW, as we close the forum this month.
> An article on a poetry Turing Test: "Can a computer write a sonnet that's
> indistinguishable from what a human can produce?"
> It reminds me of when Turing writes in "Computer Machinery and
> Intelligence," "Q: Please write me a sonnet on the subject of the Forth
> Bridge. A : Count me out on this one. I never could write poetry."
> I am currently completing my book chapter on the film Ex-machina, and
> thinking about the Turing Test, would this mean for augmentations of the
> test for AI, what might this mean for questions around gender that was
> salient in Turing's work?
> best,
> ---
> http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/06/27/480
> 639265/human-or-machine-can-you-tell-who-wrote-these-poems
> On 2017-05-07 02:55, William Bain wrote:
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>> Hello Empyreans. I’m greatly enjoying the discussion, all its
>> various themes. What struck me today in regard to the William Carlos
>> Williams quote & comments was Davin’s opposition of unplanned versus
>> ple-planned texts (not only poems). I find that and Murat’s comments
>> on constraints in postmodernist versus those in modernist texts very
>> interesting. Perhaps this is where the robotic and machinic become
>> more involved in the idea of a poem’s persona(e). Whatever metaphor
>> is used gives a certain slant to a text obviously. This brought to
>> mind Burroughs’ title (and concept) The Soft Machine, where the
>> body, the human body, both collective and particular, are the main
>> metaphor. Alan Sondheim has mentioned the concept of splatter or
>> scatter a number of times in previous posts, and I ofund myself
>> thinking to the body as tool and toolmaker, not only in humans but in
>> other animals as well, including insects, obviousy. So here we are
>> mayabe in ideas about the rhapsodic and how much weight a poem puts on
>> improvisation. Thanks so much for all the ideas! Best wishes, William
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> --
> Margaret Rhee, Ph.D.
> Visiting Assistant Professor
> Women's and Gender Studies
> University of Oregon
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