[-empyre-] -empyre- pyres and family romances

Ana Valdés agora158 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 14 02:41:22 AEDT 2018

Dear all I didn’t want to seem blasé or disappointed when I posted about my
deception or disappointing for the lack of answers. As an old -empyrean :)
I do remember months of intense exchange and months of silence or
tiredness. But it’s as life with some friends or colleagues you keep in
touch with others you grow apart.
As a writer without colleagues my work is a solitary one for me virtuality
has been a way to substitute presence.
I am happy Lauren found Stumble Upon enjoyable the only time I was obliged
to leave a forum it was when Howard Rheingold managed Electric Minds. It
was hundreds of posts per week and everyone was expected to post long and
elaborated reflexions. It was too tough for me, in despite for being an
avid chatter and writer.

tis 13 feb. 2018 kl. 12:24 skrev Johannes Birringer <
Johannes.Birringer at brunel.ac.uk>:

> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
> dear all
> I am also confused about the less than moderate comments received, and I
> had already exchanged a puzzled letter with Simon Taylor down at Waiheke
> Island, who I felt was insulted, and feeling ashamed a bit that I am/I was
> not more outspoken to express my discomfort with this list that had given
> great impetus, many times, and also caused disappointment at other times.
> That was really what I tried to say, I was not advocating passivity at
> all, dear Renate, I was suggesting (and yes, I am older and perhaps, like
> Ana, tired of lists and social media, or like Simon wonder, @youtoo, about
> the interesting and puzzling rejections that are floating, around the
> field, before 7th Seal, or death’s chess player interrupts as it happened
> last week, unpoetically but terminally; having wanted, in my last post, to
> pay my respects and gratitude to Melinda and Christina and the earlier
> artistic and vibrant intellectual exchanges here and on other lists that I
> like (un-moderated, like Netbehavior, without the need of “editorial
> boards”, a need never brought forward for discussion here to us who own
> this list and ought to have a say whether we want it) – so not having
> actually wanted to say I am overburdened by emails, or having no more time
> for this – on the contrary:
> I was trying to ask, others here, whether we can eventually stop fooling
> ourselves, about the 5775 or 2175 followers or subscribers or reactors not
> reacting, if in fact this month only a handful of subscribers bothered to
> write, what nine, or twelve?  so why ask about a listserv and how to
> justify itself for a “new era,” when Simon’s or Christina’s brilliant posts
> simply end up in an empty chamber, without echo. If Ana suggest that she
> has given up waiting for reactions.  If there is not need for echo,
> resonance, other than self-congratulation, no need for sharper critique and
> honesty, then I’d say, forget the era, it’s over, you (the pyre) were
> rejected, it burnt up. (And yes, a four-year lag is fine, for me, the
> letter I received was personal and never needed to be public.)
> respectfully, and without regret,
> thanking many and all here with whom I corresponded
> over the years on discussions that moved me,
> not backwards into a lost era of flaneurs, but forward,.
> Johannes Birringer
> dap-lab
> ________________________________________
> [Simon schreibt]
> I am confused about your introduction to my post: I am verbose? I am
>  also to the point. I am incomprehensible? I am also direct. I am
>  powerfully political. I am nonsensical. Poetic.
>  ... I write to you as a recent PhD. in the job market, transcendent uber
>  alles. (Perhaps there is a market for the qualities you list? Please let
>  me know.)
> [...]
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