[-empyre-] Situated body, Situated practices

warkk WarkK at newschool.edu
Thu Sep 12 03:02:40 AEST 2019

So enough about me.

This is sort of how it works in my trans girl world: i have a big sister
and she has a big sister

-- but the big sister of us all is Sandy Stone. And i just want to sit at
her (virtual feet).

So Sandy:
how has your thinking changed, or not, since The Empire Strikes Back: A
Posttranssexual Manifesto?

what do you think about the internet-spawned trans culture that sprang up,
maybe mostly via tumblr?

can you tell me a it about ageing? I just turned 58 and am already a middle
aged woman...

do you find resonances between the techniques for our bodies and for our
ears? Sound and body technics?

oh i have so much more, but just for a start...


On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 11:56 AM warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:

> Thanks for those references. I don’t know that documentary. In the
> overdeveloped world and perhaps elsewhere, all bodies, cis and trans, are
> experiments held together by both technical experiments and aesthetic
> experiments. Trans ppl don’t necessarily want to be seen as exceptional in
> that regard. Personally we m in the Freak Pride camp, but a lot of
> brothers, sisters and others just think of themselves as ordinary. The
> right to be ordinary is also an important one. M
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:38 AM isabelle arvers <iarvers at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hello everyone,
>> I so much agree with what has just been said;)
>> On the subject one of the most beautiful things I have heard so far is in
>> Bixa Travesty documentary in which Mc Linn Da Quebrada says that our body
>> is our own territory of experimentation;)
>> also loved the idea of the documentary Sea Horse about the man who had a
>> baby,
>> Cheers
>> Isabelle
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>> Le mer. 11 sept. 2019 à 13:13, Jaimes Mayhew <jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com> a
>> écrit :
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>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can’t recall ever
>>> posting, but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my
>>> heart swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.
>>> I’m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation
>>> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I’ve found
>>> people who are trans* in every city I’ve lived in via social media as a way
>>> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and now
>>> Facebook.
>>> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you present
>>> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and wondering if
>>> you might be family.
>>> What else can I say? I’m grateful for this moment.
>>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
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>>> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which
>>> said: "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i was
>>> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed for
>>> extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground for
>>> Nazis.
>>> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>> twitter.
>>> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting
>>> playing whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too. The
>>> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld library.
>>> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized
>>> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>> http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all
>>> call ourselves transsexuals again.
>>> But then one of themes is change, right?
>>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>> allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> Hi folks, Sandy here.  McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.  McKenzie
>>>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as loathing,
>>>> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror.  I thought
>>>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy I gave
>>>> them a wide berth.  In retrospect I wish I hadn’t.  Roads not taken, ships
>>>> that pass in the night…
>>>> At any rate, we’re here now, and it’s a great pleasure.
>>>> Yeah, I’ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in the
>>>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going through
>>>> changes.  Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes.  Who knew.
>>>> Well.  The present moment is so chockfull of changes.  A close
>>>> relative, an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a
>>>> Trumpist.  J Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a
>>>> raging pedophile.  Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either
>>>> reduces or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle —
>>>> literally… all it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the
>>>> car behind her.  A woman has given birth to a cow’s head.  We’re all busy
>>>> slouching toward our particular Bethlehem.  What’s not to like?
>>>> I’ll say something about change that’s more related to this thread
>>>> later.  This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more time.
>>>> Sandy
>>>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
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McKenzie Wark (they/she)
*Professor of Media and Culture*
65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011

warkk at newschool.edu
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