[-empyre-] Fwd: situated body / situated practices: speculative gender disruptor mechanisms

melinda rackham melrack at me.com
Sun Sep 15 12:26:34 AEST 2019


Hi Elæ, Jaimes, McKenzie and Sandy,

Greetings on a wintery morning in Carlton with a black Abyssinian named Eno on my lap. As someone who could never perform my assigned gender with any great enthusiasm, I thank you all for your generous texts.  

I wanted to share a few things here:
firstly I am currently writing a book with CoUNTess aka Elvis Richardson, looking at the asymmetry of gendered success in the arts, which becomes very complex when one quantifies the disadvantages in status, economics and legacy of being other than white cis male.   One of the CoUNTess outcomes after a decade of work is to commission along with with NAVA:

“CLEAR EXPECTATIONS: Guidelines for institutions, galleries and curators working with trans, non-binary and gender diverse artists in Australia - a new resource of best practice for the contemporary arts written by artists Spence Messih and Archie Barry.
NAVA urges the sector to take the time to read through this resource with your collaborators, colleagues, board and staff and let’s make sure the contemporary arts sector is respectful, safe and welcoming for all trans, non-binary and gender diverse people.”

https://visualarts.net.au/media/uploads/files/Clear_Expectations_Guidlines_FA_Digital.pdf


The second is the perspective of transitioning bodies entangled in theory- and I’m thinking Quinn Eades poetic voice would enrich this polylogue.
“Dr Quinn Eades is a researcher, writer, and award-winning poet whose work lies at the nexus of feminist and queer theories of the body, autobiography, and philosophy. Eades is published nationally and internationally, and is the author of all the beginnings: a queer autobiography of the body, and Rallying. Eades is a Lecturer in Core Interdisciplinary Studies at La Trobe, as well as the founding editor of Australia's only interdisciplinary, peer reviewed, gender, sexuality and diversity studies journal, Writing from Below. He is currently working on a book-length collection of autobiographical fragments from the transitioning body titled Transpositions.”

https://scholars.latrobe.edu.au/display/qeades


And thirdly in my long association with feminism, gender abolition has always about power relations - here is the Xenofem take on it  : 

“Xenofeminism is gender-abolitionist. 'Gender abolitionism' is not code for the eradication of what are currently considered 'gendered' traits from the human population. Under patriarchy, such a project could only spell disaster–the notion of what is 'gendered' sticks disproportionately to the feminine. But even if this balance were redressed, we have no interest in seeing the sexuate diversity of the world reduced. Let a hundred sexes bloom! 

'Gender abolitionism' is shorthand for the ambition to construct a society where traits currently assembled under the rubric of gender, no longer furnish a grid for the asymmetric operation of power.
 We need new affordances of perception and action unblinkered by naturalised identities. In the name of feminism, 'Nature' shall no longer be a refuge of injustice, or a basis for any political justification whatsoever! 

If nature is unjust, change nature!”
https://www.laboriacuboniks.net/


warm regards 
Melinda 


warm regards 
Melinda 

Begin forwarded message:

> From: warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu>
> Date: 14 September 2019 at 11:28:30 pm AEST
> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] situated body / situated practices: speculative gender disruptor mechanisms
> Reply-To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
> 
> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
> Yes, "gender abolition" gets thrown at trans ppl by transphobic feminists a lot. Even though they don't quite seem to believe in it themselves. 
> 
> I think it has to mean the abolition of compulsory, fixed and hierarchical gender. 
> 
> At present, its very hard to:
> 
> -- change a gender assigned at birth
> -- live outside the gender binary
> -- mix element assigned to the two genders
> -- change the meaning of those elements
> -- refuse the hierarchy between genders
> -- inhabit other genders altogether
> 
> To me, gender abolition means the freedom to do all those things. Including the freedom to lean in pretty hard to attributes of a binary gender if you want or need to.
> 
> A lot, probably most, trans ppl really *need* to embody a gender other than the one assigned at birth because they are dysphoric. Their (our, my) gender feels wrong and is debilitating. In my case, performing masculinity just seemed like drag. Like acting. I was not very good at it. I was playful with it sometimes, and that helped, but in the end it wasn't enough. I had to get out (and should have got out sooner). 
> 
> I felt like i'd rather perform femininity badly than masculinity badly, as being a woman in public, in all of my life, at least felt right to me even if it doesn't to a lot of the ppl i intreract with every.... single.... day. 
> 
> Its a very rapid education. TBH i wonder why cis ppl think they can lecture me about gender as if they are experts when they have only ever been one of them. I really felt the need of the company, support, friendship and love of other transsexual women because nobody else really seems to get what it is we perceive. I really felt the need to find and study our art and literature partly to help me but partly because, on a good day, i think that work is revolutionary. 
> 
> I started writing about it. First installment is here: https://www.e-flux.com/journal/102/282888/femme-as-in-fuck-you/
> 
> So when we say "gender abolition," can it please mean an end to the coercive system about which gender you have to be in, what it is supposed to do, and whether its supposed to be the dominant or submissive one. Let's abolish all of that. I don't think we can even know what a gender can be until we do. Gender can be play, but also desire. It can be a thing a body desperately needs and will do anything for -- if it doesn't get to be it. That's not playful at all. But a world in which gender is *in play* helps those with strong desires to be a gender other than the one's currently considered 'lawful.'
> 
> M
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 10:44 PM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>> Hi folks, thanks for your insightful engagement.  I have to take things a bit out of the order in which they’re being posted because I’m on the move today and can’t take time to track everyone.  I just wanted to make one comment, for better or worse.  In regard to thoughts about an eventual diminishment or disappearance of gender:  IMHO gender is never going to disappear.  If, for some reason, someone managed to abolish gender, someone else would recreate it immediately.  We experience gender within systems of power so vile and perverse that it can be difficult to understand what it is or what it’s for.  One of the great things that queer culture brought to the table was the concept of gender as fun, and gender is massively imbricated in complex webs of interpersonal expressions of emotion, aesthetics, philosophy, power, and a host of other things that exceed the ontic frame of representation that capital, religion, and custom impose… the point being: don’t eliminate, expand.  Let’s play.
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2019, at 3:32 PM, Elæ [Lynne DeSilva-Johnson] <lynne at theoperatingsystem.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>> Dear softly skinned humans-in-space:
>>> 
>>> Thank you, McKenzie, James, Sandy, Isabelle, for your thoughts and reflections so far. If I wait too much longer to respond with thoughts it'll become an essay, too long for this medium. and thanks, Shu Lea, for inviting my response -- 
>>> 
>>> hmmmmm -- um, can I begin by requesting please that I be brought along to the next trans-centric rave in the bowels of Brooklyn. tho now this makes me consider, immediately, those spaces which have been permissive of my fluidity, and those which have not -- in body, in interpersonal acknowledgement, and in other ways. dance spaces have often felt over sexualized as well as alcohol and drug centric, so unfortunately less safe than I'd like, but I think part of that for me is my possession of an overly sexualized, femme body--and perhaps it's age. the younger queer and trans folks seem to be building more of these safe spaces, and for so many the relationship to languaging and presenting themselves is so markedly different, growing up as digital natives with so much more visible content accessible. certainly not suggesting it's "easy" -- no blanket statements -- but definitely different... I have college freshmen who started watching drag race at 9 years old. 
>>> 
>>> recently, my scholarly considerations of my body's positionality have, via my own experience as an often chronically ill, usually precarious nonbinary queer person, become inextricably intertwined with questions of the disabled, mad, and traumatized body in space, and perhaps more broadly the Othered body: where, per Ahmed, does this body face undue risk and find it necessary to follow "straight lines," even performatively, in order to remain even tangentially in receipt of whatever privilege might be available through passing? where does it feel dangerous vis-a-vis social capital or other considerations to continually correct others who repeatedly misgender me? this can be similar to the experience of being disabled or ill -- how and where and when does it feel dangerous or harmful to the self to voice needs of the body not considered within architecture / socio-cultural structures that assume an abled-body? or an otherwise Othered condition? 
>>> 
>>> the extent to which my degrees of outness as a genderfluid / gender-expansive person, to different communities and in different spaces, has been visible or made central to my story has always been in conversation with these other vectors. I would be curious (and this is on my mind in particular having just been in the EU) to compare the extent to which the sort of bioprecarity which is a daily reality for many queer / trans / nonbinary people here in the US changes the ways in which we interface with its visibility/risk, especially for those alienated from family, or otherwise outside of a supportive partnership, without insurance or underinsured, etc; how might this differ from the ways a less precarious body experiences the public possibilities for their gender?
>>> 
>>> for me, the binary has always been troubling and a confusing space. to be honest, the body has always been a troubling and confusing space, since my relationship to it has always been instinctively and then more deeply believed / theorized as a vessel/set of materials within which a transtemporal consciousness experiences itself -- "gender" has always felt reductive and overly simplistic, a construct of if not a delimited human imagination then, more accurately, of the direction that patriarchy and capital has moved our bodies--since indigenous peoples often included additional gender categories and often considered persons with this fluidity to be passing more easily between the human and spirit realms -- indeed, to even talk about other cultures as having a 'third gender' is in itself overly simplistic because it starts with an understanding of gender as binary, adding on, rather than recognizing that the perception of the self that an entirely different worldview wherein this isn't a fixed element offers is entirely unimaginable coming from a binary framework.
>>> 
>>> it has been through my own processing of trauma and working myself out of the scarcity programming of my institutional conditions that it has begun to feel not only safer (usually) as well as necessary and critically important to hold space for myself as as nonbinary / gender fluid person, and to center this visibility as part of my creative and scholarly practice. I've been thinking a lot as someone who built a queer family outside of legal visibility (my daughter has two gay dads and me, but on paper I am "not a parent," beaus there is no room for us all, legally) how for many of us precarity and trauma has been a major driver in the queer and trans community's move towards prioritizing marriage as a lobby issue (here in the US in recent decades), away from the more expansive, radical activism around the establishment of other family and household structures. instead, commons-centric possibilities for change, a la Haraway's "make kin not babies," (which to be frank is increasingly something we should be moving towards in this time of climate crisis and delimited resources, and underwhelming infrastructures of care) for many seem only available to a few, something the traumatized queer or trans body often avoids as unsafe terrain to chance.
>>> 
>>> recently, as part of further work on how we can hack bodies somatically under the subconscious control of trauma I've been working on a number of "disruptor mechanisms," and considering in particular for our purposes the role of speculative language in rewiring our perceptions of our possibilities--embodied consciousness ultimately ruling over cognitive logic, despite our efforts. what might be shifted for us, if in lieu of immediate availability of infrastructural change, we make a concerted effort not only as queer, trans, and nonbinary folk to agentively be more active in our use of language that in all our usage rejects the notion of a binary entirely? 
>>> 
>>> which means, in our daily practice, working with AFAB or AMAB (assigned F/M at birth) as a way of talking about even children, considering not gendering our children in their early years, being careful not to language reproductive health or menstruation or menopause as "women's" issues, not to assume that all women or men or anyone has specific body parts,  and moving towards the adoption of a wider range of available language in how we refer to ourselves and others. 
>>> 
>>> hmm, this is getting long, but it's something I've been working on a lot the last few years -- in fact, this became the root thinking for my forthcoming essay for the Transgender Narratives anthology, "Par, Muddy, Sibter, Nibling, and Sprog : Languaging a Future for Lovepersons", where I consider explicitly how language reproduces these conditions keeping us from more expansive kinship structures, but then through speculative language adoption how working with it on a daily basis might provide a “soft” opening to facilitating these changes, both on the page and in practice.
>>> 
>>> of course, there's nothing soft about how it feels to get misgendered, but this too is nonbinary: addressing and holding space for the reprogramming required for the fearful to admit the possibility of there being no gender, more genders, etc (and what that means for their sense of self), alongside the desire for our rights to be seen and acknowledged and not endangered for presenting and verbalizing their identity. both, and. 
>>> 
>>> useful here too is the long history of alternative and speculative language for queer and nonbinary possibilities in scifi, and the history of other gender markers being available and normative in virtual spaces even in their earliest days -- Spivak pronouns making an early appearance, for instance. what has this facilitated in the imagination? how can we bring that sort of plasticity to daily experience? it is essential for all of us, not only the nonbinary and trans among us, to free ourselves of the damage of the gender-binary in terms of our thinking. within the acknowledgement and re-languaging of our community, if adopted widely by allies, comes the possibility for countless repercussions within policy, care, legal rights, etc. 
>>> 
>>> am I done? I am never done. neither is my gender. do we have time to talk about Genesis P-Orridge? I leave us with one last thought: how can we, as those seeking expansive possibilities for life on earth (and beyond) in whatever time we have here, recognize that the use of gender-free language can be a critical tool in evolving ourselves? how can we bring this practice into our curation, our classrooms, and our interactions daily? I can talk more about how I do this, and strategies for doing so that feel like a welcome rather than an admonition, but I have written enough for now, surely.
>>> 
>>> for others in NY, the wonderful trans poet TC Tolbert is coming to Pratt as a guest artist all fall, and CA Conrad (nonbinary, doing great somatic work as well) will be performing tomorrow at the strand. I hold space in the OS catalog for trans and genderqueer / nonbinary creative practitioners, through our Kin(d)* series, and can share all sorts of wonderful content that I use with my students, if folks desire. poetics can be an incredible disruptor mechanism, as it already refuses the sentence of the sentence....
>>> 
>>> xxxx
>>> 
>>> ONWARD.
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>>> *pronouns: they/them*
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>>> 
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>>> “In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete.”
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>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>>    1. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (Jaimes Mayhew)
>>>>    2. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (warkk)
>>>>    3. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (warkk)
>>>>    4. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (isabelle arvers)
>>>>    5. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (warkk)
>>>>    6. Re: Situated body, Situated practices (warkk)
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 23:08:23 -0400
>>>> From: Jaimes Mayhew <jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com>
>>>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Situated body, Situated practices
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>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever posting, but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my heart swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career. 
>>>> 
>>>> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve found people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media as a way to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and now Facebook. 
>>>> 
>>>> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you present at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and wondering if you might be family. 
>>>> 
>>>> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>> 
>>>> > On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> > 
>>>> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> > 
>>>> > 
>>>> > When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which said: "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> > 
>>>> > True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i was clinging on to masculinity by a thread. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed for extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground for Nazis. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on twitter. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting playing whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> > 
>>>> > The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too. The Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld library.
>>>> > 
>>>> > Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> > http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> > 
>>>> > -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all call ourselves transsexuals again. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> > 
>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >> Hi folks, Sandy here.  McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.  McKenzie glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as loathing, and which later I realized was something more akin to terror.  I thought that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy I gave them a wide berth.  In retrospect I wish I hadn?t.  Roads not taken, ships that pass in the night?
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in the past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going through changes.  Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes.  Who knew.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Well.  The present moment is so chockfull of changes.  A close relative, an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a Trumpist.  J Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a raging pedophile.  Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either reduces or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ? literally? all it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car behind her.  A woman has given birth to a cow?s head.  We?re all busy slouching toward our particular Bethlehem.  What?s not to like?
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread later.  This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more time.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Sandy
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >> 
>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
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>>>> From: warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu>
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>>>> Thanks Jaimes,
>>>>     When i came out, nobody who actually knew me even slightly seemed at
>>>> all surprised. And a lot of ppl who know me well were like -- finally!
>>>> 
>>>> I'd be curious to know what the experience was like of finding other trans
>>>> ppl on Friendster and Myspace. I didn't. I started with Tumblr.
>>>> 
>>>> I came out on Facebook because it seemed that was where my professional
>>>> identity was, and where ppl who knew me from Australia were.
>>>> 
>>>> But in terms of constructing the community i needed, that happened mostly
>>>> via coming out on twitter. Three trans women then reached out to me
>>>> direclty. All three i'd count as friends and one a sigificant big sister to
>>>> me. She connected to to a second who has that role in my transition, via
>>>> twitter dm. A third i found independently, but also via twitter.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm also now connected to a skein of networks of trans ppl via twitter, one
>>>> strand is writers, one is academics, another is about tech. Another is more
>>>> specifically New York based and is trans ppl i', friendly with but not (or
>>>> not yet) particularly close to.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm interested in this both as a trans woman and as a media scholar, of
>>>> course.
>>>> 
>>>> m
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:12 AM Jaimes Mayhew <jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>> > I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever posting,
>>>> > but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my heart
>>>> > swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.
>>>> >
>>>> > I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation
>>>> > about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve found
>>>> > people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media as a way
>>>> > to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and now
>>>> > Facebook.
>>>> >
>>>> > McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you present
>>>> > at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and wondering if
>>>> > you might be family.
>>>> >
>>>> > What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which said:
>>>> > "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> >
>>>> > True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i was
>>>> > clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>>> >
>>>> > "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed for
>>>> > extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground for
>>>> > Nazis.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>>> > transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>>> > twitter.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting playing
>>>> > whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> >
>>>> > The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too. The
>>>> > Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld library.
>>>> >
>>>> > Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized
>>>> > model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> > http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> >
>>>> > -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all call
>>>> > ourselves transsexuals again.
>>>> >
>>>> > But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>>> > allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >> Hi folks, Sandy here.  McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> >> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> >> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.  McKenzie
>>>> >> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as loathing,
>>>> >> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror.  I thought
>>>> >> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy I gave
>>>> >> them a wide berth.  In retrospect I wish I hadn?t.  Roads not taken, ships
>>>> >> that pass in the night?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in the
>>>> >> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going through
>>>> >> changes.  Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes.  Who knew.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well.  The present moment is so chockfull of changes.  A close relative,
>>>> >> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a Trumpist.  J
>>>> >> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a raging
>>>> >> pedophile.  Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either reduces
>>>> >> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ? literally? all
>>>> >> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car behind
>>>> >> her.  A woman has given birth to a cow?s head.  We?re all busy slouching
>>>> >> toward our particular Bethlehem.  What?s not to like?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread
>>>> >> later.  This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more time.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sandy
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> > *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> > EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> > 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> >
>>>> > warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> > <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> > T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > empyre forum
>>>> > empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> > http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > empyre forum
>>>> > empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> > http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> 
>>>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> 
>>>> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
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>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 01:17:18 -0400
>>>> From: warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu>
>>>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Situated body, Situated practices
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>         <CAK5B+H-8VgOLK8BAgT88cNVhLA+fSzibAmObBmWa9yO-S-+XwQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> oh, i wanted to add -- given Sandy's truly extensive background in all
>>>> things audio --
>>>> 
>>>> one of the skeins of the network i fell into, via, twitter, is trans women
>>>> who are ravers.
>>>> 
>>>> There's something about this extremely relentless, minimal music that has a
>>>> trans following. It works for me, so i get it.
>>>> 
>>>> Its so lacking in the narrative or emotional habits of music that you are
>>>> free to project your own feelings and body into it.
>>>> 
>>>> In other words its great for dysphoria.
>>>> 
>>>> I was taken by the hand by sisters who led me into the bowels of Brooklyn
>>>> for raves at which trans women get in free and are always on the list.
>>>> 
>>>> This looped me back to 90s culture, where i discovered European techno
>>>> through its overlap with the digital avant-gardes who did their theory-work
>>>> via listserves like nettime.org and indeed empyre.
>>>> 
>>>> m
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:24 AM warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > Thanks Jaimes,
>>>> >     When i came out, nobody who actually knew me even slightly seemed at
>>>> > all surprised. And a lot of ppl who know me well were like -- finally!
>>>> >
>>>> > I'd be curious to know what the experience was like of finding other trans
>>>> > ppl on Friendster and Myspace. I didn't. I started with Tumblr.
>>>> >
>>>> > I came out on Facebook because it seemed that was where my professional
>>>> > identity was, and where ppl who knew me from Australia were.
>>>> >
>>>> > But in terms of constructing the community i needed, that happened mostly
>>>> > via coming out on twitter. Three trans women then reached out to me
>>>> > direclty. All three i'd count as friends and one a sigificant big sister to
>>>> > me. She connected to to a second who has that role in my transition, via
>>>> > twitter dm. A third i found independently, but also via twitter.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm also now connected to a skein of networks of trans ppl via twitter,
>>>> > one strand is writers, one is academics, another is about tech. Another is
>>>> > more specifically New York based and is trans ppl i', friendly with but not
>>>> > (or not yet) particularly close to.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm interested in this both as a trans woman and as a media scholar, of
>>>> > course.
>>>> >
>>>> > m
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 12:12 AM Jaimes Mayhew <jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >> Hi everyone,
>>>> >> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever posting,
>>>> >> but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my heart
>>>> >> swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation
>>>> >> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve found
>>>> >> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media as a way
>>>> >> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and now
>>>> >> Facebook.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you present
>>>> >> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and wondering if
>>>> >> you might be family.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which said:
>>>> >> "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i was
>>>> >> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed for
>>>> >> extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground for
>>>> >> Nazis.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>>> >> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>>> >> twitter.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting playing
>>>> >> whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too. The
>>>> >> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld library.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized
>>>> >> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> >> http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all
>>>> >> call ourselves transsexuals again.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>>> >> allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>> Hi folks, Sandy here.  McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> >>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> >>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.  McKenzie
>>>> >>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as loathing,
>>>> >>> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror.  I thought
>>>> >>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy I gave
>>>> >>> them a wide berth.  In retrospect I wish I hadn?t.  Roads not taken, ships
>>>> >>> that pass in the night?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in the
>>>> >>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going through
>>>> >>> changes.  Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes.  Who knew.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Well.  The present moment is so chockfull of changes.  A close relative,
>>>> >>> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a Trumpist.  J
>>>> >>> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a raging
>>>> >>> pedophile.  Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either reduces
>>>> >>> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ? literally? all
>>>> >>> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car behind
>>>> >>> her.  A woman has given birth to a cow?s head.  We?re all busy slouching
>>>> >>> toward our particular Bethlehem.  What?s not to like?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread
>>>> >>> later.  This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more time.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sandy
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >>> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>> empyre forum
>>>> >>> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >>> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >>
>>>> >> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> >> *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> >> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> >> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> >>
>>>> >> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> >> <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> >> T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> > *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> > EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> > 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> >
>>>> > warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> > <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> > T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> 
>>>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> 
>>>> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
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>>>> 
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:37:51 +0900
>>>> From: isabelle arvers <iarvers at gmail.com>
>>>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Situated body, Situated practices
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>         <CAC+tup3uotFVSDp-SvNaE8S575NKB3uNt8+X7FsKaZs_Eo-CNQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I so much agree with what has just been said;)
>>>> On the subject one of the most beautiful things I have heard so far is in
>>>> Bixa Travesty documentary in which Mc Linn Da Quebrada says that our body
>>>> is our own territory of experimentation;)
>>>> also loved the idea of the documentary Sea Horse about the man who had a
>>>> baby,
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> Isabelle
>>>> 
>>>> [image:
>>>> http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif]
>>>> <http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif>
>>>> Isabelle Arvers
>>>> Curator, art critic and artist
>>>> Wattsap: +33 661 998 386
>>>> http://www.isabellearvers.com
>>>> Director of Kareron www.kareron.com
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/ArtGamesWorldTour
>>>> twitter: @zabarvers
>>>> instagram.com/zabarvers
>>>> youtube.com/zabarvers
>>>> https://vimeo.com/isabellearvers
>>>> Skype ID: iarvers
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Le mer. 11 sept. 2019 ? 13:13, Jaimes Mayhew <jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com> a
>>>> ?crit :
>>>> 
>>>> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>> > I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever posting,
>>>> > but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my heart
>>>> > swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.
>>>> >
>>>> > I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation
>>>> > about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve found
>>>> > people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media as a way
>>>> > to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and now
>>>> > Facebook.
>>>> >
>>>> > McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you present
>>>> > at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and wondering if
>>>> > you might be family.
>>>> >
>>>> > What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which said:
>>>> > "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> >
>>>> > True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i was
>>>> > clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>>> >
>>>> > "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed for
>>>> > extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground for
>>>> > Nazis.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>>> > transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>>> > twitter.
>>>> >
>>>> > Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting playing
>>>> > whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> >
>>>> > The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too. The
>>>> > Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld library.
>>>> >
>>>> > Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized
>>>> > model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> > http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> >
>>>> > -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>>> >
>>>> > Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all call
>>>> > ourselves transsexuals again.
>>>> >
>>>> > But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>>> > allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >> Hi folks, Sandy here.  McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> >> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> >> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.  McKenzie
>>>> >> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as loathing,
>>>> >> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror.  I thought
>>>> >> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy I gave
>>>> >> them a wide berth.  In retrospect I wish I hadn?t.  Roads not taken, ships
>>>> >> that pass in the night?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in the
>>>> >> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going through
>>>> >> changes.  Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes.  Who knew.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well.  The present moment is so chockfull of changes.  A close relative,
>>>> >> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a Trumpist.  J
>>>> >> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a raging
>>>> >> pedophile.  Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either reduces
>>>> >> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ? literally? all
>>>> >> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car behind
>>>> >> her.  A woman has given birth to a cow?s head.  We?re all busy slouching
>>>> >> toward our particular Bethlehem.  What?s not to like?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread
>>>> >> later.  This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more time.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sandy
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> >
>>>> > McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> > Professor of Media and Culture
>>>> > EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> > 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> >
>>>> > warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> > <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> > T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > empyre forum
>>>> > empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> > http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > empyre forum
>>>> > empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
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>>>> 
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:56:00 -0400
>>>> From: warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu>
>>>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Situated body, Situated practices
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>         <CAK5B+H_Q5Zmjx2o1bM9Om8GnfyZgWuS1f6xZ-uo9opBy3va1Dg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for those references. I don?t know that documentary. In the
>>>> overdeveloped world and perhaps elsewhere, all bodies, cis and trans, are
>>>> experiments held together by both technical experiments and aesthetic
>>>> experiments. Trans ppl don?t necessarily want to be seen as exceptional in
>>>> that regard. Personally we m in the Freak Pride camp, but a lot of
>>>> brothers, sisters and others just think of themselves as ordinary. The
>>>> right to be ordinary is also an important one. M
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:38 AM isabelle arvers <iarvers at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> > Hello everyone,
>>>> >
>>>> > I so much agree with what has just been said;)
>>>> > On the subject one of the most beautiful things I have heard so far is in
>>>> > Bixa Travesty documentary in which Mc Linn Da Quebrada says that our body
>>>> > is our own territory of experimentation;)
>>>> > also loved the idea of the documentary Sea Horse about the man who had a
>>>> > baby,
>>>> > Cheers
>>>> >
>>>> > Isabelle
>>>> >
>>>> > [image:
>>>> > http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif]
>>>> > <http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif>
>>>> > Isabelle Arvers
>>>> > Curator, art critic and artist
>>>> > Wattsap: +33 661 998 386
>>>> > http://www.isabellearvers.com
>>>> > Director of Kareron www.kareron.com
>>>> > https://www.facebook.com/ArtGamesWorldTour
>>>> > twitter: @zabarvers
>>>> > instagram.com/zabarvers
>>>> > youtube.com/zabarvers
>>>> > https://vimeo.com/isabellearvers
>>>> > Skype ID: iarvers
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Le mer. 11 sept. 2019 ? 13:13, Jaimes Mayhew <jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com> a
>>>> > ?crit :
>>>> >
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >> Hi everyone,
>>>> >> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever posting,
>>>> >> but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my heart
>>>> >> swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation
>>>> >> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve found
>>>> >> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media as a way
>>>> >> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and now
>>>> >> Facebook.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you present
>>>> >> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and wondering if
>>>> >> you might be family.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which said:
>>>> >> "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i was
>>>> >> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed for
>>>> >> extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground for
>>>> >> Nazis.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>>> >> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>>> >> twitter.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting playing
>>>> >> whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too. The
>>>> >> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld library.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized
>>>> >> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> >> http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all
>>>> >> call ourselves transsexuals again.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>>> >> allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>> Hi folks, Sandy here.  McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> >>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> >>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.  McKenzie
>>>> >>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as loathing,
>>>> >>> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror.  I thought
>>>> >>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy I gave
>>>> >>> them a wide berth.  In retrospect I wish I hadn?t.  Roads not taken, ships
>>>> >>> that pass in the night?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in the
>>>> >>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going through
>>>> >>> changes.  Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes.  Who knew.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Well.  The present moment is so chockfull of changes.  A close relative,
>>>> >>> an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a Trumpist.  J
>>>> >>> Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a raging
>>>> >>> pedophile.  Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either reduces
>>>> >>> or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ? literally? all
>>>> >>> it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the car behind
>>>> >>> her.  A woman has given birth to a cow?s head.  We?re all busy slouching
>>>> >>> toward our particular Bethlehem.  What?s not to like?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread
>>>> >>> later.  This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more time.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sandy
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >>> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>> empyre forum
>>>> >>> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >>> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >>
>>>> >> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> >> Professor of Media and Culture
>>>> >> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> >> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> >> <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> >> T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>>>> >>
>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>> >> empyre forum
>>>> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
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>>>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> 
>>>> warkk at newschool.edu
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>>>> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:02:40 -0400
>>>> From: warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu>
>>>> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
>>>> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Situated body, Situated practices
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>>>> 
>>>> So enough about me.
>>>> 
>>>> This is sort of how it works in my trans girl world: i have a big sister
>>>> and she has a big sister
>>>> 
>>>> -- but the big sister of us all is Sandy Stone. And i just want to sit at
>>>> her (virtual feet).
>>>> 
>>>> So Sandy:
>>>> how has your thinking changed, or not, since The Empire Strikes Back: A
>>>> Posttranssexual Manifesto?
>>>> 
>>>> what do you think about the internet-spawned trans culture that sprang up,
>>>> maybe mostly via tumblr?
>>>> 
>>>> can you tell me a it about ageing? I just turned 58 and am already a middle
>>>> aged woman...
>>>> 
>>>> do you find resonances between the techniques for our bodies and for our
>>>> ears? Sound and body technics?
>>>> 
>>>> oh i have so much more, but just for a start...
>>>> 
>>>> M
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 11:56 AM warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > Thanks for those references. I don?t know that documentary. In the
>>>> > overdeveloped world and perhaps elsewhere, all bodies, cis and trans, are
>>>> > experiments held together by both technical experiments and aesthetic
>>>> > experiments. Trans ppl don?t necessarily want to be seen as exceptional in
>>>> > that regard. Personally we m in the Freak Pride camp, but a lot of
>>>> > brothers, sisters and others just think of themselves as ordinary. The
>>>> > right to be ordinary is also an important one. M
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 1:38 AM isabelle arvers <iarvers at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >> Hello everyone,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I so much agree with what has just been said;)
>>>> >> On the subject one of the most beautiful things I have heard so far is in
>>>> >> Bixa Travesty documentary in which Mc Linn Da Quebrada says that our body
>>>> >> is our own territory of experimentation;)
>>>> >> also loved the idea of the documentary Sea Horse about the man who had a
>>>> >> baby,
>>>> >> Cheers
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Isabelle
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [image:
>>>> >> http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif]
>>>> >> <http://www.isabellearvers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/animLogo.gif>
>>>> >> Isabelle Arvers
>>>> >> Curator, art critic and artist
>>>> >> Wattsap: +33 661 998 386
>>>> >> http://www.isabellearvers.com
>>>> >> Director of Kareron www.kareron.com
>>>> >> https://www.facebook.com/ArtGamesWorldTour
>>>> >> twitter: @zabarvers
>>>> >> instagram.com/zabarvers
>>>> >> youtube.com/zabarvers
>>>> >> https://vimeo.com/isabellearvers
>>>> >> Skype ID: iarvers
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Le mer. 11 sept. 2019 ? 13:13, Jaimes Mayhew <jaimes.mayhew at gmail.com> a
>>>> >> ?crit :
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>> Hi everyone,
>>>> >>> I have been in this listserve since 2008 and I can?t recall ever
>>>> >>> posting, but I was inspired to share that seeing this conversation made my
>>>> >>> heart swell. I am also transgender, and transitioned early in my career.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I?m struck that just 15-20 years ago, seeing this kind of conversation
>>>> >>> about trans* people on a list for art people seemed impossible. I?ve found
>>>> >>> people who are trans* in every city I?ve lived in via social media as a way
>>>> >>> to make friends and find allies. First Friendster, then MySpace and now
>>>> >>> Facebook.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> McKenzie, I am a fan of your work, and was so excited to see you present
>>>> >>> at CAA in NYC a couple of years ago. I remember seeing you and wondering if
>>>> >>> you might be family.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> What else can I say? I?m grateful for this moment.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or brevity.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Sep 10, 2019, at 6:05 AM, warkk <WarkK at newschool.edu> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> When i came out (on Facebook, natch), Sandy sent me a message which
>>>> >>> said: "Now you know why, when i met you, i made you nervous."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> True story. I had so much internalized transphobia because i knew i was
>>>> >>> clinging on to masculinity by a thread.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "The internet" has a lot to answer for. It turns out media designed for
>>>> >>> extracting surplus information out of us is a great breeding ground for
>>>> >>> Nazis.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Then again, it is a space where trans ppl can find each other. I'm
>>>> >>> transitioning with the help of big sisters i know IRL -- but met on
>>>> >>> twitter.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Then again again, its a space for ppl who hate us. Its exhausting
>>>> >>> playing whack-a-mole with ppl who think you are not human.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The actual German-style Nazis started with queer and trans ppl too. The
>>>> >>> Nazi-book burning pictures you see most often are of the Hirschfeld library.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Who was Hirschfield? Who was Harry Benjamin? What was the medicalized
>>>> >>> model of the transsexual? Well for that you'd need to read this:
>>>> >>> http://www.sterneck.net/gender/stone-posttranssexuel/index.php
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> -- in which Sandy became big sister to us all.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Ironically enough, for complicated reasons, i'm among sisters who all
>>>> >>> call ourselves transsexuals again.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> But then one of themes is change, right?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 2:17 AM Allucquere Rosanne Stone <
>>>> >>> allucquere.stone at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>>> >>>> Hi folks, Sandy here.  McKenzie and I met in the mythic time of the
>>>> >>>> latter part of the XXth Century, when she (then he) met a busful of
>>>> >>>> middle-aged theoreticians debarking at a conference venue.  McKenzie
>>>> >>>> glanced at me and then stared with an expression I interpreted as loathing,
>>>> >>>> and which later I realized was something more akin to terror.  I thought
>>>> >>>> that they might be an F2M afraid of being outed, so out of courtesy I gave
>>>> >>>> them a wide berth.  In retrospect I wish I hadn?t.  Roads not taken, ships
>>>> >>>> that pass in the night?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> At any rate, we?re here now, and it?s a great pleasure.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Yeah, I?ve seen a lot of young transpeople in what at some point in the
>>>> >>>> past was a general catchphrase for personal turbulence: going through
>>>> >>>> changes.  Right. Ch-ch-ch-changes.  Who knew.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Well.  The present moment is so chockfull of changes.  A close
>>>> >>>> relative, an intelligent, perceptive, empathetic and caring person, is a
>>>> >>>> Trumpist.  J Epstein, an intelligent, perceptive philanthropist, was a
>>>> >>>> raging pedophile.  Valerie Plame has launched a campaign video that either
>>>> >>>> reduces or elevates politics to the level of Hollywood spectacle ?
>>>> >>>> literally? all it lacks is Jason Statham and Vin Diesel getting out of the
>>>> >>>> car behind her.  A woman has given birth to a cow?s head.  We?re all busy
>>>> >>>> slouching toward our particular Bethlehem.  What?s not to like?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I?ll say something about change that?s more related to this thread
>>>> >>>> later.  This is just a little introductory blurt until I have more time.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Sandy
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Allucquere Rosanne Stone
>>>> >>>> Drive-by Theoretician
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Faust: How comes it then that thou art out of hell?
>>>> >>>> Meph: Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please enjoy all autocorrects and typos.
>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> >>>> empyre forum
>>>> >>>> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
>>>> >>>> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
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>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> --
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> >>> Professor of Media and Culture
>>>> >>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> >>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> >>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/65+w11th+st,+NEW+YORK,+NY+10011?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> >>> <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> >>> T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >>>
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>>>> > McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> > *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> > EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> > 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> >
>>>> > warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> > <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
>>>> > T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> 
>>>> McKenzie Wark (they/she)
>>>> *Professor of Media and Culture*
>>>> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
>>>> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
>>>> 
>>>> warkk at newschool.edu
>>>> <http://www.newschool.edu/marketing-communication/email-signature.html#>
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> Professor of Media and Culture
> EUGENE LANG COLLEGE
> 65 w11th st, NEW YORK, NY 10011
> warkk at newschool.edu
> T 212 229 5100 2241 / M 646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456
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