fabi borges catadores at gmail.com
Fri Sep 20 04:19:17 AEST 2019

here a little rivalry between white and indigenous (me and Naruna)

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 17:28, fabi borges <catadores at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everybody, good to read all this treads!!! quite a lot!!
> some contributions:
> To BBC news Ricardo Salles, Minister of the Environment of Brazil, said
> that we need capitalist solutions to the Amazon, we need ''monetize' the
> Amazon.
> Most people don't trust in the good intention in the words of the
> minister. But...
> But the idea remains. Is there a Capitalist solution for the Amazon? Can
> we monetize the amazon? And that is a good idea?
> Let's extended this idea to all biomes, including the human beans, and we
> have the question: Can we produce, preserve and recover in a capitalist
> system? or: Can we produce, preserve and recover in a socialist system?
> The answer still the same: Technique and resources allocation.
> There's a technique that recover and preserve the Biome while producing?
> The answer is "Yes", at least for the rain forests. The Agroforestry, or
> Food Forest is proving we can produce, preserve and recover at the same
> time using agroforestry techniques! And we can produce more per hectare
> compared to traditional monocultures.
> What do we need for agroforestry to become mainstream?
> Resources allocation. We need investment in this area. If we want
> agroforestry to override the monoculture than we need more investments in
> agroforestry (and other agroecological techniques).
> There's some efforts to create Crowdfunding Platforms to connect
> agroecological farmers and investors. This platforms needs investments too.
> It is complex to invest criptocoins for exemple directly with the farmers,
> groups, indigenous, mst workers, but through crowdfunding it could be a
> start.
> The connection between them would be straight way with the angels
> (investors) the platforms and the farmers (angels too). The return on this
> investment can be negotiated directly with each platform. I cant give some
> platforms right now, because it is still in the beginning, if someone have
> the platforms, give abundance to this dialogue.
> Agroforestry, as we know, produces not only food and wood, but also
> fibers, proteins, sugars, fabrics, fuel and many other raw materials for
> the production of various products. So we also needed investments in the
> logistics, distribution, processing and sale of these raw materials. (and
> of course it is a lot of money, all this people who got rich with
> criptocoins could start to think about investment in agroforestry and
> agroecology in countries like Brasil, and others in the same position (it
> is a very interesting way to resist the land's war, eat a health food and
> help the earthlings).
> (maybe the farmers will need some guns in the next few years (and here I
> am not been moral, just realistic)). But we are so nice to think about it
> :-)
> We need allocate resources to this areas, not matter the system. And the
> Amazon is still really big and wonderful, full of water, and amazing
> people.
> We have to remember the amazing people and amazing water always!
> We are living the land's war, we know that. So, I don't want to sounds
> pessimistic... But if we don't plan agroforestry as the new economic /
> financial value in the market, stock market, criptomarket we will loose for
> the monoculture. Because that I say it is a value fight (it is already
> going on in a very slow and beautiful way).
> *****
> I would like to say as well  we (technoshamanism network) are in a
> campaign right now with a specific indigenous village (Aldeia Pará Pataxó)
> were we did the
> II Festival of Technoshamanism in 2016 - some photos here:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/22405820@N08/albums/72157673936765924. We
> got
> just now from France 20 thousand euros (I know it is nothing, we would
> prefere the 80 millions from Germany, because the Brazilian government is
> not giving anything for "this bullshit" but), it is already something.
> During the festival we started a agroforestry in the village with the
> Pataxós, a center of media, and now we will help them to construct a health
> center (one of the bolsonaro's ordinance was cut up the health rights to
> the indigenous), they want to make a autonomous regional reference health
> center putting together the traditional medicine and white medicine as they
> call it, because they say now they have white's diseases. This request is
> also a challenge, how to approach a laboratorial  medicine with the
> medicine that is full of smokes and skin rubs? They will say we will help.
> So with this money we will make a TASK FORCE FOR HEALTH!!!! MUTIRÃO
> PATAXÓ!!!! https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/
> it would be now in 12 of October, but we did not get the money on time, so
> we will make it in the next months (I think in April, they are asking it to
> TUPÃ)!
> All this magic thought is what make they so magic, so full of wisdom of
> time, and all that incredible culture!! They still have it, please don't
> loose it!!!
> The internet campaign is finished right now, we can tell you when the
> center starts operating full of new demands (see, the the government will
> not invest in it).
> We will make more four events in Europe - two in Paris (where I am, invite
> me for a drink) and one in London (i will be there too, let's go).
> 19/09 - Toulouse
> https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/09/06/serie-de-encontros-em-apoio-a-saude-pataxo/?fbclid=IwAR3qpYddGNC4lz_KTlniBbOcJejawmAZvSUGYjwuNn9NWMZ52UuKtLMLdNc
> 21/09 - Paris
> https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/09/06/tcnxmnsm-art-resistance/?fbclid=IwAR30tsrYZDWxmY6Kq2MfG-r8sG12HjyfnRZvXkTdjITF8jktgW0LtPgHN8E
> 24/09 - Paris
> https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/09/06/tcnxmnsm-marielle-present/?fbclid=IwAR3imSriwIzKolp9JHpC_AujCi5pmaL88EFO3aPt5gO3vJUr9vn5OLs7LgM
> 28/09 - London
> https://tecnoxamanismo.wordpress.com/2019/08/14/open-call-technoshamanism-party-in-london-uk/
> *The health center will depend a lot of solar plaque, plants that remove
> pests and mosquitoes, medicinal garden, and agroforestry food.*
> Ps. The pataxós are not exporting food yet, but spaces, teas, bath herbs,
> they are already thinking, why not? They work so hard for the resorts in
> the summer.
>  it is already too much words :)
> thank you Shu Lea and Margaretha to invite me here,
> keep on.
> f.
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 17:52, Sergio Basbaum <sbasbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Lucas,
>> Thank you for this narrative. Looking forward seeing ypur movie.
>> best
>> s
>> Em Ter, 17 de set de 2019 12:01, Shu Lea Cheang <shulea at earthlink.net>
>> escreveu:
>>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
>>> oh, Lucas, thought you would be deep into preparing your feature film
>>> about disappearing landscapes... so ask you for a drive by front line post
>>> of the film in development!
>>> a proper introduce is due.
>>> Lucas is a friend and an artist I respect a lot, somehow we tend to run
>>> into each other in festivals in European cities, but indeed, i havent seen
>>> Lucas around for a few years now.
>>> Lucas Bambozzi creates media-based works such as video, live AV,
>>> installations and interactive projects. His pieces have been shown in more
>>> than 40 countries, held by organizations such as Moma NY, ZKM, Frankfurter
>>> Kunstverein, ISEA-Ruhr, ISEA/Albuquerque, Laboral, Http Gallery in London,
>>> Havana Biennale, ŠKUC gallery, WRO Biennale, Zero1 San Jose, and many
>>> venues in Brazil, such as the São Paulo Biennale. Lucas was one of the
>>> initiators of arte.mov, Mobile Art Festival. His projects Mobile Crash and
>>> Labmovel got Honorary Mentions at Ars Eletronica. In his most recent
>>> projects Lucas has been engaged in critical approaches involving
>>> informational spaces and electromagnetic fields in public realm. He
>>> recently concluded his PhD at FAUUSP and currently teaches at FAAP in São
>>> Paulo.
>>> If indeed, Lucas can hang around a bit with us, i am super grateful.
>>> Let me bring up these points of debate-
>>> Lucas Bambozzi posted: Lavra is a film about disappearing landscapes,
>>> the losses of a world and the attempts to recover them, in the ongoing war
>>> between capitalism and nature.
>>> While doing the film, we have been witnessing the upraising of awareness
>>> movements, such as MAM – Movimento dos Atingidos por Barragens
>>> <http://mamnacional.org.br/> and MAB – Movimento dos Atingidos por
>>> Barragens <https://www.mabnacional.org.br/>, assisting impacted
>>> communities about their rights and also helping people to review one's
>>> relationship with nature, consumption. and the notion of progress.
>>> and to echo Fabi's remarks, "The developmentalist project is still in
>>> full swing and the consciousness of the earth, interspecies relations,
>>> ayahuasca rituals, organic gardens, the diversity of peoples and their
>>> modes of existence are still largely ghetto conversations that do not earn
>>> enough in the world of market or stock market.......
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