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>    1. Re: AMAZON IS BURNING (margaretha haughwout)
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> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 09:50:08 -0400
> From: margaretha haughwout <margaretha.anne.haughwout at gmail.com>
> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] AMAZON IS BURNING
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> Dear All,
>
> Hope your day of CLIMATE STRIKE! brings new energy and fresh beginnings to
> the struggle.
>
> Fabi thank you for your posts so full of energy and for a vision of
> agroecology. I share your inspiration for this set of cultivation
> practices, and worry deeply about the ways it can be taken up by
> capital.... But perhaps as you suggest it is a way out, a tear on the edges
> of modernity (Eduardo Gudynas argues the way out of modernity will be
> determined by Latin America....)
>
> I have another question for you Fabi and for Dan. One of the striking
> things about the arial images of the Amazon, are the fishbone patterns we
> see as roads get developed. We can actually see the metabolic pathways of
> capitalism in these patterns. But I'm wondering about the ways 'we' see the
> Amazon from afar -- the technologies we use, and how they themselves are
> implicated in colonial histories and colonial futures that have us leaving
> earth -- could you comment. How do you use these mapping and satellite
> technologies in your own practice?
>
>
> In solidarity,
> -M
>
>
>
> --
> beforebefore.net
> --
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dean Wilson <dean at sundialforum.org> wrote:
>
> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
> >
> > A lurker here ... thanks for the thread. "A thousand years ago" indeed.
> > Even an eight year interval under the present exploding plastic
> inevitable
> > airborne toxic event is a lost slave ship of failure. Pankaj Mishra's
> book
> > review of David French scraped the bulbous lard of privilege and rummaged
> > around thusly back in the day (2011):
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/a-curzon-without-an-empire/270145
> >
> > "Even stranger gaps exist in *India*, which, though subtitled *An
> > Intimate Biography of 1.2 Billion People*, finds no place for the nearly
> > 800 million Indians who still depend on agriculture for a living. The
> quiet
> > catastrophe in rural areas?the collapse of water tables, spiralling debt,
> > the poisoning of cultivable land, and tens of thousands of farmer
> > suicides?is absent from *India*. French does talk to one man with a
> > farming background at length; but the latter turns out to be an upwardly
> > mobile adivasi at a Californian-style vineyard owned by Sula Wines.
> > Claiming that Mahadev Kolis ?normally prefer? Chenin Blanc and Madeira,
> he
> > leads French into upbeat speculation about the ?democratisation of
> > wine-drinking? in India."
> >
> > Parasamgate bodhi svaha.
> >
> > DW
> >
> >
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> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 12:35:36 -0300
> From: Lucio Agra <lucioagra at gmail.com>
> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] AMAZON IS BURNING
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> Hi, everybody.
> I've been lurking until now, following the discussion and preferably trying
> to do not interfere.  Margaretha, though, has put a good point here.
>
> Today I waked up with a message sent by a colleague  through Whats Up, with
> a link to The Intercept ,where a young brazilian journalist, from their
> crew, grabbed some information about the plans that the Govern - and
> particularly the Army - have been preparing concerning Amazon area. The
> militaries basically reedited an ancient doctrine about security on the
> Amazon frontier. Among several conspiration theories involving the
> construction of an independent country for Yanomoanis in collaboration with
> Venezuela, and other klind of misconception there is an intention to get
> around ancient plans of roads construction in the region. There is already
> a road that connects Cuiab? (in the middle of the country) to Santarem. Up
> to this place, there begins the region known as Calha Norte, which was
> involved in disputes and projects since Military Dictatorship in the 70s
> and 80s. It gave raise to a rumorous situation that involved, in the past,
> some militaires and empresarios. Well, here they come again, projecting the
> occupation of Indigenous areas with mining and people brought from other
> parts of the country, with the aim to avoid a supposed "invasion" of
> Chinese immigrants that also supposedly have benn growing in Suriname.
> Several detais, including a presentation with maps and some audio
> registering the meetings done in the state of Par?, were disclosed by
> Intercept. The material is astonishing even to those of us who were born
> and in Brazil and to all that live here.
> Now I  arrive to the important point Margaretha sustained in her
> commentaries. The roads we see in the map, part of it, probably represent
> these efforts to open ways up to North Amazon, a place, as an specialst
> heard by Intercept says, so isolated that does not demand concerns on
> fronteer security. There is indeed a plan to occupy Amazon with roads and
> it is really important for some *tactical* reasons: first, because it
> increases petrol and cars lobby, second because it was one of the main
> politics of Dictatorship in the 70s, through the absurd project of
> TransAmazonica road. Nowaday it seems to be a reedition of ancient
> positions susteinad by  some falcons from the Army.
> If, from one side, says Margaretha, perhaps the world get information that
> constructs a "we vision" (from the standpoint of the ones who did not
> suffer colonization directly - "seeing from afar") , on the other there is
> an analogous situation concerning people that live in  in  southwest or
> south parts of the Country, which means also "seeing from afar".
> Nevertheless, the same network has been making it possible to have fast
> access to such an information as it was disclosed by journalist Tatiana
> Dias through Intercept today. Intercept uses the same Network that can
> either reinforce distances, either eliminate them. To use a clich?,
> information is a crucial tool to this very moment.
> Link to the story (I'm afraid it is only in Portuguese):
> https://theintercept.com/2019/09/19/plano-bolsonaro-paranoia-amazonia/
> Best
> Lucio Agra
>
> Em sex, 20 de set de 2019 ?s 11:13, margaretha haughwout <
> margaretha.anne.haughwout at gmail.com> escreveu:
>
> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Hope your day of CLIMATE STRIKE! brings new energy and fresh beginnings
> to
> > the struggle.
> >
> > Fabi thank you for your posts so full of energy and for a vision of
> > agroecology. I share your inspiration for this set of cultivation
> > practices, and worry deeply about the ways it can be taken up by
> > capital.... But perhaps as you suggest it is a way out, a tear on the
> edges
> > of modernity (Eduardo Gudynas argues the way out of modernity will be
> > determined by Latin America....)
> >
> > I have another question for you Fabi and for Dan. One of the striking
> > things about the arial images of the Amazon, are the fishbone patterns we
> > see as roads get developed. We can actually see the metabolic pathways of
> > capitalism in these patterns. But I'm wondering about the ways 'we' see
> the
> > Amazon from afar -- the technologies we use, and how they themselves are
> > implicated in colonial histories and colonial futures that have us
> leaving
> > earth -- could you comment. How do you use these mapping and satellite
> > technologies in your own practice?
> >
> >
> > In solidarity,
> > -M
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > beforebefore.net
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dean Wilson <dean at sundialforum.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
> >>
> >> A lurker here ... thanks for the thread. "A thousand years ago" indeed.
> >> Even an eight year interval under the present exploding plastic
> inevitable
> >> airborne toxic event is a lost slave ship of failure. Pankaj Mishra's
> book
> >> review of David French scraped the bulbous lard of privilege and
> rummaged
> >> around thusly back in the day (2011):
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/a-curzon-without-an-empire/270145
> >>
> >> "Even stranger gaps exist in *India*, which, though subtitled *An
> >> Intimate Biography of 1.2 Billion People*, finds no place for the nearly
> >> 800 million Indians who still depend on agriculture for a living. The
> quiet
> >> catastrophe in rural areas?the collapse of water tables, spiralling
> debt,
> >> the poisoning of cultivable land, and tens of thousands of farmer
> >> suicides?is absent from *India*. French does talk to one man with a
> >> farming background at length; but the latter turns out to be an upwardly
> >> mobile adivasi at a Californian-style vineyard owned by Sula Wines.
> >> Claiming that Mahadev Kolis ?normally prefer? Chenin Blanc and Madeira,
> he
> >> leads French into upbeat speculation about the ?democratisation of
> >> wine-drinking? in India."
> >>
> >> Parasamgate bodhi svaha.
> >>
> >> DW
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> > empyre forum
> > empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
> > http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>
>
>
> --
> *Lucio Agra*
> Prof. Adjunto ? CECULT/UFRB
> Centro de Cultura Linguagens e Tecnologias Aplicadas
> <https://ufrb.edu.br/cecult/>
> http://contemporaryperformance.org/profile/LucioAgra
> Se vc tem urg?ncia de falar comigo, me ligue no celular! ? mais r?pido!
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> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:53:18 -0300
> From: Sergio Basbaum <sbasbaum at gmail.com>
> To: soft_skinned_space <empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] AMAZON IS BURNING
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> Thank you Lucio, for this account
>
> s
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> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 1:24 PM Lucio Agra <lucioagra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
> > Hi, everybody.
> > I've been lurking until now, following the discussion and
> > preferably trying to do not interfere.  Margaretha, though, has put a
> good
> > point here.
> >
> > Today I waked up with a message sent by a colleague  through Whats Up,
> > with a link to The Intercept ,where a young brazilian journalist, from
> > their crew, grabbed some information about the plans that the Govern -
> and
> > particularly the Army - have been preparing concerning Amazon area. The
> > militaries basically reedited an ancient doctrine about security on the
> > Amazon frontier. Among several conspiration theories involving the
> > construction of an independent country for Yanomoanis in collaboration
> with
> > Venezuela, and other klind of misconception there is an intention to get
> > around ancient plans of roads construction in the region. There is
> already
> > a road that connects Cuiab? (in the middle of the country) to Santarem.
> Up
> > to this place, there begins the region known as Calha Norte, which was
> > involved in disputes and projects since Military Dictatorship in the 70s
> > and 80s. It gave raise to a rumorous situation that involved, in the
> past,
> > some militaires and empresarios. Well, here they come again, projecting
> the
> > occupation of Indigenous areas with mining and people brought from other
> > parts of the country, with the aim to avoid a supposed "invasion" of
> > Chinese immigrants that also supposedly have benn growing in Suriname.
> > Several detais, including a presentation with maps and some audio
> > registering the meetings done in the state of Par?, were disclosed by
> > Intercept. The material is astonishing even to those of us who were born
> > and in Brazil and to all that live here.
> > Now I  arrive to the important point Margaretha sustained in her
> > commentaries. The roads we see in the map, part of it, probably represent
> > these efforts to open ways up to North Amazon, a place, as an specialst
> > heard by Intercept says, so isolated that does not demand concerns on
> > fronteer security. There is indeed a plan to occupy Amazon with roads and
> > it is really important for some *tactical* reasons: first, because it
> > increases petrol and cars lobby, second because it was one of the main
> > politics of Dictatorship in the 70s, through the absurd project of
> > TransAmazonica road. Nowaday it seems to be a reedition of ancient
> > positions susteinad by  some falcons from the Army.
> > If, from one side, says Margaretha, perhaps the world get information
> that
> > constructs a "we vision" (from the standpoint of the ones who did not
> > suffer colonization directly - "seeing from afar") , on the other there
> is
> > an analogous situation concerning people that live in  in  southwest or
> > south parts of the Country, which means also "seeing from afar".
> > Nevertheless, the same network has been making it possible to have fast
> > access to such an information as it was disclosed by journalist Tatiana
> > Dias through Intercept today. Intercept uses the same Network that can
> > either reinforce distances, either eliminate them. To use a clich?,
> > information is a crucial tool to this very moment.
> > Link to the story (I'm afraid it is only in Portuguese):
> > https://theintercept.com/2019/09/19/plano-bolsonaro-paranoia-amazonia/
> > Best
> > Lucio Agra
> >
> > Em sex, 20 de set de 2019 ?s 11:13, margaretha haughwout <
> > margaretha.anne.haughwout at gmail.com> escreveu:
> >
> >> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
> >> Dear All,
> >>
> >> Hope your day of CLIMATE STRIKE! brings new energy and fresh beginnings
> >> to the struggle.
> >>
> >> Fabi thank you for your posts so full of energy and for a vision of
> >> agroecology. I share your inspiration for this set of cultivation
> >> practices, and worry deeply about the ways it can be taken up by
> >> capital.... But perhaps as you suggest it is a way out, a tear on the
> edges
> >> of modernity (Eduardo Gudynas argues the way out of modernity will be
> >> determined by Latin America....)
> >>
> >> I have another question for you Fabi and for Dan. One of the striking
> >> things about the arial images of the Amazon, are the fishbone patterns
> we
> >> see as roads get developed. We can actually see the metabolic pathways
> of
> >> capitalism in these patterns. But I'm wondering about the ways 'we' see
> the
> >> Amazon from afar -- the technologies we use, and how they themselves are
> >> implicated in colonial histories and colonial futures that have us
> leaving
> >> earth -- could you comment. How do you use these mapping and satellite
> >> technologies in your own practice?
> >>
> >>
> >> In solidarity,
> >> -M
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> beforebefore.net
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:21 PM Dean Wilson <dean at sundialforum.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
> >>>
> >>> A lurker here ... thanks for the thread. "A thousand years ago" indeed.
> >>> Even an eight year interval under the present exploding plastic
> inevitable
> >>> airborne toxic event is a lost slave ship of failure. Pankaj Mishra's
> book
> >>> review of David French scraped the bulbous lard of privilege and
> rummaged
> >>> around thusly back in the day (2011):
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/a-curzon-without-an-empire/270145
> >>>
> >>> "Even stranger gaps exist in *India*, which, though subtitled *An
> >>> Intimate Biography of 1.2 Billion People*, finds no place for the
> >>> nearly 800 million Indians who still depend on agriculture for a
> living.
> >>> The quiet catastrophe in rural areas?the collapse of water tables,
> >>> spiralling debt, the poisoning of cultivable land, and tens of
> thousands of
> >>> farmer suicides?is absent from *India*. French does talk to one man
> >>> with a farming background at length; but the latter turns out to be an
> >>> upwardly mobile adivasi at a Californian-style vineyard owned by Sula
> >>> Wines. Claiming that Mahadev Kolis ?normally prefer? Chenin Blanc and
> >>> Madeira, he leads French into upbeat speculation about the
> ?democratisation
> >>> of wine-drinking? in India."
> >>>
> >>> Parasamgate bodhi svaha.
> >>>
> >>> DW
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> empyre forum
> >> empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
> >> http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *Lucio Agra*
> > Prof. Adjunto ? CECULT/UFRB
> > Centro de Cultura Linguagens e Tecnologias Aplicadas
> > <https://ufrb.edu.br/cecult/>
> > http://contemporaryperformance.org/profile/LucioAgra
> > Se vc tem urg?ncia de falar comigo, me ligue no celular! ? mais r?pido!
> > _______________________________________________
> > empyre forum
> > empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
> > http://empyre.library.cornell.edu
>
>
>
> --
> -- Prof. Dr. S?rgio Roclaw Basbaum
> -- P?s-Gradua??o Tec.da Intelig?ncia e Design Digital - TIDD (PUC-SP)
> -- Coordenador P?s-Gradua??o em M?sica e Imagem (FASM)
>
> -- http://soundcloud.com/sergiobasbaum
> -- http://soundcloud.com/pantharei <https://soundcloud.com/pantharei>
> -- [:a.cinema:] <http://acinemaperformance.blogspot.com.br/>
> ...sai dessa fila, vem pra roda festejar..
> <http://soundcloud.com/sergiobasbaum/choror-bye-bye>
> -- a.cinema <http://acinemaperformance.blogspot.com>
> -- pantharei_tube <
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXlPdYtxV5bj5uAQwXC-M_Q>
>
> B'H'
>
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