[-empyre-] Thinking about Flow and Real-Time in Pandemic-Time: Twitter, GarageBand, and Pianos
sondheim at panix.com
Mon May 24 02:28:57 AEST 2021
When I first started the internet text, I wrote an intro of sorts to my
think; it's at http://www.alansondheim.org/net1.txt ; it talks about
addictiion, and attempts to theorize it. That starts at "INTERNET TEXT"
and while some of the writing is preposterous, some of it might be useful.
I think one would have to go deep into the neurophysiology of cognition
and possibly hording behavior at this point -
On Sun, 23 May 2021, pl at voyd.com wrote:
> Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 11:22:13 -0400
> From: pl at voyd.com
> To: sondheim at panix.com
> Cc: rebecca.rouse at his.se, empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
> Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Thinking about Flow and Real-Time in Pandemic-Time:
> Twitter, GarageBand, and Pianos
> Hi, I am hoping that the next week that Negin Ehtesabian and Isaac Sullivan
> will chime in.
> In considering Alan's notes on addiction, I wonder if there is a theory on
> compulsion, and how it related to the Internet?
> On Sat, 22 May 2021 21:01:39 -0400 (EDT), Alan Sondheim <sondheim at panix.com>
> Hi - I think in a way when you write " I think the issue might be agency
> and volition in submitting to the affective flow state or having it
> imposed upon us." - there is no "or" at this point, just as there's for
> too many people I know, no "or" in addiction or breaking addiction. I've
> always felt that addiction is fundamental to the screen culture and
> economy; I remember the "dream screen" metaphor in psychoanalysis. Azure
> knows someone who died while driving and looking at her phone; when we're
> on the narrow sidewalks here in Providence, we have to walk around people
> walking with the same behavior. This is of course known to all of us...
> And I wonder if our dreams and their awake instantiation aren't so
> intermingled now...
> On Thu, 20 May 2021, pl at voyd.com wrote:
> > Date: Thu, 20 May 2021 22:03:44 -0400
> > From: pl at voyd.com
> > To: sondheim at panix.com, rebecca.rouse at his.se
> > Cc: empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au
> > Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Thinking about Flow and Real-Time in
> > Twitter, GarageBand, and Pianos
> > ??? ????:
> > "machine-time reminds me of Sartre's analysis in Critique of Dialectical
> > Reason about people working
> > on assembly line"
> > For sure, and I remember Sarah Cook citing in the discussion for 24/7: A
> > Wake-up Call For Our Non-stop World at Somerset house that Facebook had an
> > internal document discussing sleep as the platform's chief challenge to
> > growth, In a way, this is the end goal of the attention economy - 24/7
> > attention, where our time is no longer our own, and all affect is
> > as capital by the infoindustrial complex.
> > however, Alan also note the other flow facilitated by technology, like
> > we communicate through whatsapp on demand.
> > I think the issue might be agency an d volition in submitting to the
> > affective flow state or having it imposed upon us.
> > On Wed, 19 May 2021 22:00:57 -0400, Alan Sondheim
> > wrote:
> > ----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------
> > Hi, just wanted to say I quite like this and machine-time reminds me of
> > Sartre's analysis in Critique of Dialectical Reason about people working
> > on assembly lines - I forget the exact quote, but it's something like
> > "It's the machine in them that did the dreaming." That resonates; machine
> > time, AI, and the like are internally timeless in a sense, even with the
> > calculations measured, and program breakdowns, ransoms which suspend
> > program time, or one program time for another, and so forth. So when you
> > write about
> > " collaborating with our six year old son to make and edit songs
> > in GarageBand. We lose track of time. We make our own fun. That flow is
> > between us, "
> > I think of the flow among bodies and all the "messiness" of human life,
> > and that's a kind of epiphany in a sense -
> > Best Alan
> > On Wed, 19 May 2021, Rebecca Rouse wrote:
> > > Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 20:41:12 +0000
> > > From: Rebecca Rouse
> > > To: "empyre at lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au"
> > > Subject: [-empyre-] Thinking about Flow and Real-Time in Pandemic-Time:
> > > Twitter, GarageBand, and Pianos
> > >
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