<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi, Jerome Rothenberg's groundbreaking poetry anthology The Technicians of the Sacred that brings in anthropological elements to poetry, through translated texts of First Nation rituals where was written in close collaboration with his wife Diane who is a world reek own anthropologist.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">CiaMurat<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jul 15, 2016, at 1:54 AM, denise robinson <<a href="mailto:drobinson_2000@btinternet.com">drobinson_2000@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------</span></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div>I am dipping into this conversation with a suggestion - although you quite possibly know of this: 'contemporary art and anthropology' published in 2006, <i>Berg</i> Oxford. <div>I think it was the first publication to deal with the issues you are discussing. eds Arnd Schneider and Christopher Wright.</div><div>Denise Robinson</div><div>contributor to this publication.<br><div><div><div><div>On 14 Jul 2016, at 19:19, fiamma montezemolo wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Thank you for your comments, Gaby. I would say that for those of us who dwell between art and anthropology do not feel the question of "repatriation' is a pressing one. I try to travel in between and my images are formed through that milieu. I tend to work with graduate students involved in both fields, but regarding your anthropology students you could maybe introduce them to the fascinating dialogue that has been going on between art and anthropology since the twenties onward; Mexico and Brazil are particularly exciting places for this dialogue. </span><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Hope this helps!</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Fiamma</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:01 PM, VARGAS CETINA G ABRIELA <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gabyvargasc@prodigy.net.mx" target="_blank">gabyvargasc@prodigy.net.mx</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
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<div style="font:normal undefined undefined;color:undefined"><br><div>Dear Fiamma and Christina, thanks for this very interesting conversation. <br>
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Fiamma, I know some of your work as an anthropologist and I've seen
pictures of your work as an artist. How do you see your work crossing
over to anthropology beyond the study of Tijuana? You seem to be
interested in anthropologists' reflection on their own images. That is
good in itself; however, as an anthropologist I want to know: Do you
think that your representational interventions have something we can
'translate' conceptually back into anthropology? And if so, what would
that be? What can I teach my anthro students conceptually from your art work, according to you? I guess I am asking you to be both narcissus and
echo here, from an anthropological para-site to your artwork, far away from the
Mexico-U.S. border.<br>
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Thanks in advance,<br>
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Gaby<br>
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Anthropologist<br>
Autonomous University of Yucatan<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thank you for your question Christina.<div><br></div><div>Yes,
I did work on the 'aftermaths' of the InSite project in the border
between Mexico and the USA. As an artist and anthropologist - using an
inter-medial methodology - I was particularly interested in making an
attempt to understand what is left after a biennial, a curatorial
project, an artist leaves a scene of intervention. InSite has been a
very important art initiative that lasted many years in the Tijuana-San
Diego border. In 2005 they had their last intervention and moved later
to Mexico City. In 2013-14 I made a video called Echo based on their
archive and an ethnography. By revisiting the scenes of these curatorial
and artistic interventions, “echo” emerged both as a concept and a
practice that enabled a reassembling of these art works, their futures,
beyond their expected ruins and remains. </div><div><br></div><div>Each
work/artist and afterlife/echo of those works -after the artists
completed them and left to focus on another work - raised different and
enriching questions on social art, on ethics, on methods, on the people
involved in the projects, on the city itself and its urban cycle, on the
future of public sculpture, etc. The assemblage of archival images and
current reverberations, of all sort of data visualization through video,
text, voice over, drawings, interviews, of affects and representation
has been a real challenge in this work, as you mention: especially in
terms of methodology. </div><div><br></div><div>The
result is that more questions were opened after the initial ones. The
conclusion was inconclusive: Narcissus (all of us working, representing,
intervening on the border: anthropologists, artists, curators, etc.)
and Echo (the context, the artists, the collaborators, the public
sculptures, the objects, etc.) are clearly part of the same scenario and
they are both plural and problematic in their own way...</div><div><br></div><div>In
this sense, I am not sure mine was a 'feminist methodology', but maybe
yes a 'feminist sensibility', or as a long literature that started with
Adorno would define it: an 'unmethodical method', an undoing of
categorization, indeed a sort of ‘border crossing’. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Best,</div><div class="gmail_quote">Fiamma</div>
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