<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Alan,<br><br></div>We are wrong to consider Trump's message incoherent (except fpr us who were deaf to its siren song):<br><br></div>1. Hatred of non-whites and financial self interest is at the center of Trump's vision: a) when the Central Park five were cleared of murder due to dna evidence, he put a full page ad in the New York Times attacking their release and asking for their continuing incarceration. b) birtherism.<br><br></div>2) Knowing that the blue color whites are the foundation of his coalition.<br><br></div><div>3) He supported (at least in name) a guarantee of social security on which the working class vitally depend.<br></div><div><br></div>3) He knew that he needed the evangelicals to create a national coalition though he himself obviously has nothing to do with religion.<br><br></div>4) He proposed an end to the estate tax so he can pass his money to his children and tax cuts that will benefit rich people like him, not the working class (that's where the snake oil salesman comparison comes in).<br><br></div>Then he went for it.<br><br></div>In retrospect, his anti-Latino comments turned out to be a head fake. It turned off the Latinos for sure. But it cemented the devotion of his supporters for him against every sort of attack.<br><br></div>Murat<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:muratnn@gmail.com" target="_blank">muratnn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Ana, Alan, <br>Not in terms of wisdom perhaps, but in terms of economic condition the choice the blue collar worker made was justified. We should not condescend. If I am stuck in a place for years and years, I also would yearn for a time when factories were churning out cars, etc. Both in Germany and Italy, fascism rose out of a condition of chronic high unemployment and an economy of low paying and temporary jobs (some of it just distributing political hate filled leaflets) around it.People like Trump, Mussolini, Hitler channel the energy of that hatred against an enemy that can be demonized. About the condition of proloteriat prior to Fascism, the best work is Fassbinder's Alexanderplatz (preferably the long, ten (?) episode T.V. version.<br><br></div>Murat<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Ana Valdés <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agora158@gmail.com" target="_blank">agora158@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br><p dir="ltr">Alan i think the parts of Hitler and Mussolinis discourses about the importance of workers about the national pride and the longing for a imperial past are relevant in Trump’s case as well.<br>
I read some minutes ago 7 av each 10 of Trump’s voters wanted go back to the 50's.<br>
It means a time where the US was victorious white and wealthy where they imposed the world "the American way of life" as model. <br>
As Roland Barthes says it's a question of language :)<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Den 9 nov 2016 14:34 skrev "Alan Sondheim" <<a href="mailto:sondheim@panix.com" target="_blank">sondheim@panix.com</a>>:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
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There is a huge difference; Hitler etc. ran on a platform which was (horribly) coherent; Trump splatters, not only in the attacks, but also in terms of coherency. This is a very different thing; it's not to say he isn't a thug - he is - but one who wants power above all, and is less concerned about its deployment. -<br>
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