<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi, Chris, let me <span class="" style="" id="gmail-:1s0.1" tabindex="-1">tryl</span> to tackle one or two things you are saying:<br><br>"Personally I see imperfect ion & failure as 2 different things:
failure implying having (set) a specific objective to achieve ( in
advance ) & not being able to reach it, imperfection means things
didn't go as planned/expected, perhaps as result of human error. "<br><br></div>But how often starting a work of art do we no where we are going (at least the kind of work I assume interests you and me)? We evolve, basically try to discover the work. In that way, intention is not a useful concept for me. To me failure has to do with gaps in a work, loose or unexplained parts though the work is presented as complete. In that way, failure is related more to a lack of total answer.<br><br></div>What is interesting in what you do is that, while you "accept" the absolute perfection of the code, a lot of the artists that interest you and you get deeply involved with, including your own projects, are open ended, improvisational, "evanescent" so to speak, such as Cecil <span class="" style="" id="gmail-:1s0.2" tabindex="-1">Tayloror</span> the wonderful piece of music "Wedge" you linked us to in your post.<br><br></div>In what relation do you see the perfection of the digital code (its "unforgiving" divine reality :) ) and your improvisational aesthetics? I know in in your book you say that the poetry created digitally is essentially ephemeral, and the artist must acknowledge it. <br><br>"I was thinking about glitch after my post yesterday, but even in
something that is glitch (in any form), the code functions properly.
usually these works are aberrations imposed by composer, hardware, or
software. but it is the surface that contains something
unexpected/distorted. the code is <i>able </i>to do what it is instructed/informed to do. glitch is a great <span class="" style="" id="gmail-:1s0.3" tabindex="-1">cyborgian</span> form, whether intentionally created, or not.."<br><br></div>To me, Chris, the above passage reminds me of Medieval (Christian) discourse on God and the existence of evil-- ☺<br><br></div>God's design is often inscrutable, but always there. Humanity can only experience the surface --and sees evil (unexpected/distorted): "What is the difference between God and virtual God?" "Virtual God is real." It's the software programmer.<br><br></div>Could you elaborate on the following sentence: "glitch is a great <span class="" style="" id="gmail-:1s0.3" tabindex="-1">cyborgian</span> form, whether intentionally created, or not.."<br><br></div>Ciao,<br></div>Murat<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:muratnn@gmail.com" target="_blank">muratnn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi Sally,<br><br></div>Amazing the spelling errors I made. I just apologize. Yes, Marat! I even had problems with my name in Turkey. Being in the original a Iranian name, the "Nemet" part of my family name is very unusual in Turkey also. Because of that, it was consistently miss[elled as "Mehmet" which is a very common Turkish name. As Chris said, the spelling of names are very fluid and fungible. My father, my brother and myself each spell our family name differently. This is partly due to the sound shift in names that occurs from Iranian to Turkish. "D"s become "t"s. Having born in Iran, my father kept the "d" sound, etc., etc. I can go on forever on that subject.<br><br></div>Thank you very much for your response to my comments on your dancing. I wrote them with some trepidation. I am not an expert on dancing. I wrote about what struck me in your dancing. Critics are sometimes caught in their habits, within the reference points from which they come. I am glad that my words made a difference for you.<br><br></div>Starting with my essay <i>The Peripheral Space of Photography</i>, the majority the work I do starts with a response to something else, a film <i>The Spiritual Life of Replicants</i>), a play (<i>Animals of Dawn</i>), photographs, someone else's writings ("Eleven Septembers Later: <i>Film Lumiere</i>, Readings on Benjamin Hollander's <i>Vigilance</i>), etc. In that way, they are collaborations. In fact, translations from Turkish poetry and the poetics of <i>Eda</i> I developed from them, constitute an extended collaboration with/ meditation on the Turkish language. <br><br></div>I think you will find Chris's work multi-faceted, always developing, in fascinating ways full of contradictions.<br><br></div>Looking forward to further exchanges with you and others.<br><br></div>Ciao,<br></div>Murat<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Funkhouser, Christopher T. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:christopher.t.funkhouser@njit.edu" target="_blank">christopher.t.funkhouser@<wbr>njit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Murat,<br><br>We were in the back room at St. Marks, where most of the readings/talks are held, which I may have flubbed the name on. It has been a really long time since I've been there!<br><br>Personally I see imperfect ion & failure as 2 different things:
failure implying having (set) a specific objective to achieve ( in
advance ) & not being able to reach it, imperfection means things
didn't go as planned/expected, perhaps as result of human error. <br><br>I was truly enthused about working with the NJIT/Rutgers-Newark Theatre Dept. on a production of the code opera Sonny Rae Tempest composed once I heard Director Louis Wells' motto, "we're not afraid to fail". to me this meant they were willing to take risks, & if it didn't work out, so be it. new, exciting things might get born this way. the code opera is Pretty usual & ridiculous, VERY Dada, & the first musical scores we rendered were awful (white noise). I was imagining we might empty the house in 3-5 minutes, so it was good & liberating to work w/someone who took this approach.<br><br></div></div>I was thinking about glitch after my post yesterday, but even in something that is glitch (in any form), the code functions properly. usually these works are aberrations imposed by composer, hardware, or software. but it is the surface that contains something unexpected/distorted. the code is <i>able </i>to do what it is instructed/informed to do. glitch is a great cyborgian form, whether intentionally created, or not...<br><br></div>It may be that my architect friend was saying that things minor adjustment could be required or made in the construction phase. He's not the lazy sort, I'll have to ask for an elaboration some time. <br><div><br><br><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Murat Nemet-Nejat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:muratnn@gmail.com" target="_blank">muratnn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<span class=""><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Chris, I apologize for the typo. I was writing the introduction six o'clock in the morning since I had to be at Kennedy Airport very early. And I did use "tent" metaphorically, but are you sure it was inside Parish Hall? I remember it being somewhere in the boondocks. Like quite a few others, I seem to have disappeared from the PoPro list a few years ago also. Finally, I attributed my case to bad breath.<br><br></div><div>Yes, perhaps the final struggle is "between algorithm/perfection) & human/imperfection." We should pursue it further on. But in <i>Blade Runner</i>, even the super human androids are imperfect. They must die. That is the pathos of that film, and also perhaps our ultimate salvation. If you have followed the discussions the previous weeks this month, I was talking about the possibility of a poetics of "failure" or "inefficiency" which may be close to what you mean by ?imperfection." We were also discussing about "glitches" in the algorithmic structures. You say that can not be. Do you mean they are impossible or not permitted?<br><br></div><div>What that architect was telling you sounded more like "laziness," an over trust of machines. That's why so many buildings are, as Jean Renoir says, boring.<br><br></div><div>Good beginning. Welcome to Empyre, Chris.<br><br></div><div>Ciao,<br></div><div>Murat<br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></span></blockquote></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br><div class="m_5487753078285894416m_3087136758332251803gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Dr. Christopher T. Funkhouser<br>Program Director, Communication and Media<br>Department of Humanities<br>New Jersey Institute of Technology<br>University Heights<br>Newark, NJ 07102<br><a href="http://web.njit.edu/%7Efunkhous" target="_blank">http://web.njit.edu/~funkhous</a><br><a href="mailto:funkhous@njit.edu" target="_blank">funkhous@njit.edu</a></div></div>
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