<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi Norie and All</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Agreed that labour of animals has to be looked at critically. This is what Jason Moore is arguing in his essays on Capitalocene. Perhaps this was already mentioned, but the problem is the global force of a combine anthropocentric-capitalocentric culture that frames other than human animals (and nature) as free labour. This despite other animals contrary views on the matter. Nibert takes this further to critique systems of labour and exploitation with farms and labs. In terms of nature's free labour and the degradation of ecologies, Latour argues this as the 'Globe' being far larger than the 'Earth'<br><br><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Julie Andreyev</div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><a href="http://www.animallover.ca">www.animallover.ca</a></div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; "><br></div><div><div>(mobile)<div><br></div></div></div></div><div><br>On Oct 15, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Norie Neumark <<a href="mailto:norie5@mac.com">norie5@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------</span></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><div class=""><p style="box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: 'Noto Serif', Georgia, Times, serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0px 0px 1.8em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(51, 58, 66); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Hi Elaine and all,</p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: 'Noto Serif', Georgia, Times, serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0px 0px 1.8em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(51, 58, 66); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Re capitalism and animals as labourers, I recently heard a great paper by Dinesh Wadiwel, “The Werewolf in the Room: animals and capitalism”. He asked, “What happened when anthropocentrism shook hands with capitalism?” His paper asked what animals see when they confront the machines of capitalism and he answered– a werewolf – a being with a voracious appetite. Dinesh evoked labouring animals as political subjects rather than as objects. And if animals are labourers, producers of value, the question of their working conditions comes up. And with it, the issue of time and their need for time away from the harness of production – like any worker. So in this era of intensive factory farming, as activists, we could try to address animals’ working conditions, suggested Dinesh. As he said, while we hope (and work for a vegan revolution), in the meanwhile, this could offer a viable and unexpected strategy, and unexpected is always a good way to go. </p><p style="box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: 'Noto Serif', Georgia, Times, serif; font-size: 15px; margin: 0px 0px 1.8em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(51, 58, 66); font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Best, Norie</p><div class=""><div><a href="http://www.out-of-sync.com" class="">www.out-of-sync.com</a><br class=""><a href="http://workingworms.net">workingworms.net</a><br class=""><a href="http://unlikely.net.au">unlikely.net.au</a> </div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 16 Oct 2017, at 9:40 am, Meredith Drum <<a href="mailto:meredithdrum@gmail.com" class="">meredithdrum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br class=""><br class="">Following Tyler and Elaine’s posts, I have also been considering Ben + Brian’s prompt re a “larger, scaled up, possible method” that might inform “policies of land management, social organization, agriculture practices.” <br class=""><br class="">I admit I fear scaling up as the horizon baffles me. Yet I don’t want to be stuck in the local.<br class=""><br class="">I just listened to a lecture by Mckenzie Wark, in which he suggests that our time (Anthropocene, Capitalocene, Chthulucene) is geologically unprecedented, and we don’t yet have the language, the intellectual tools to cope with it. Further he proposes that we might not be dealing with capitalism anymore but something worse.(1) So what do we do?<br class=""><br class="">I lean on Wark again as I like his answer from another context: “In the absence of a single counter-hegemonic ideology, perhaps something like a meta-utopia might be useful, and more fun.”(2) As I understand him, this would require a willingness to negotiate with others who have different notions of, different languages for and approaches toward, a good life; and to find ways to collaborate with different kinds of labor and world views from various laborers. Importantly, he encourages parallel experiments. <br class=""><br class="">So here’s to parallel experiments, including those imagined in science fiction - and in the case of our discussion, parallel experiments with multi-species wording.<br class=""><br class="">Staying with a labor-centered approach, what about utopia from the prospective of plant labor? Or species in close cultural symbiotic (hopefully mutual) relations to humans: Can we imagine utopia from the perspective of canine laborers - dogs in airports sniffing for drugs or boarding planes as emotional support for human partners? Or algae? Lab rats? Crows?<br class=""><br class="">Warm Wishes,<br class="">Meredith<br class=""><br class="">———<br class=""><br class="">(1) Lecture as part of the Anthropocene Curriculum, Haus Der Kulturen Der Welt and the Max Planck Institute for the History of Science<br class=""><a href="https://www.anthropocene-curriculum.org/pages/root/resources/mckenzie-wark/" class="">https://www.anthropocene-curriculum.org/pages/root/resources/mckenzie-wark/</a><br class=""><br class="">(2) From Wark’s article Chthulucene, Capitalocene, Anthropocene, published 9/8-2016 on the New School’s Public Seminar. <br class=""><a href="http://www.publicseminar.org/2016/09/chthulu/#.WePhphNSyL9">http://www.publicseminar.org/2016/09/chthulu/#.WePhphNSyL9</a><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">empyre forum<br class=""><a href="mailto:empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au">empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au</a><br class=""><a href="http://empyre.library.cornell.edu">http://empyre.library.cornell.edu</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>empyre forum</span><br><span><a href="mailto:empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au">empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au</a></span><br><span><a href="http://empyre.library.cornell.edu">http://empyre.library.cornell.edu</a></span></div></blockquote></body></html>