<div dir="ltr">Cage's "Orgelstück Organ2/ASLSP" is a great model of slow time... along these lines of thinking I'd like to also bring up the work The Long Now Foundation is doing with long-term thinking.<div><br></div><div>"The Long Now Foundation was established in 01996* to develop the Clock and Library projects, as well as to become the seed of a very long-term cultural institution. The Long Now Foundation hopes to provide a counterpoint to today's accelerating culture and help make long-term thinking more common. We hope to foster responsibility in the framework of the next 10,000 years."</div><div><br></div><div>They are developing a clock that will keep time without human intervention for 10,000 years: <a href="http://longnow.org/clock/">http://longnow.org/clock/</a></div><div><br></div><div>I mentioned Brian Eno at the end of my long rant about mushrooms. He's on the board of directors for the Long Now Foundation and gave an excellent speech on "The Long Now" as part of their Seminars About Long-Term Thinking. The audio quality is poor but here's the full speech: <a href="http://longnow.org/seminars/02003/nov/14/the-long-now/">http://longnow.org/seminars/02003/nov/14/the-long-now/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Here's some of the same ideas, condensed into a shorter essay: <a href="http://longnow.org/essays/big-here-long-now/">http://longnow.org/essays/big-here-long-now/</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(232,231,221);color:rgb(88,86,78);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.8px"></span> </div><div> </div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:10 PM, Simon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:SWHTaylor@zoho.com" target="_blank">SWHTaylor@zoho.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
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<div class="m_-5786441185781905985moz-cite-prefix">Dear <<empyreans>>,<br>
A very brief response to Melinda's post and in consideration of
the timescales or scaling times of contamination, I would like to
point to the documentary <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HArxuzs1AA" target="_blank"><i>Onkalo</i>
or <i>Into Eternity</i></a>; it also recalls the strange
attraction of contaminated zones, like Chernobyl--perhaps a
contemporary romanticism of the ruin? Nature's alter-return, post
anything, anyone <i>human</i>kind. And the beauty of time at
scale, of Cage at Halberstadt, which I'm sure I've brought to the
list's attention before: <a class="m_-5786441185781905985moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.aslsp.org/de/das-projekt.html" target="_blank">http://www.aslsp.org/de/das-<wbr>projekt.html</a><br>
<a class="m_-5786441185781905985moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://squarewhiteworld.com/" target="_blank">http://squarewhiteworld.com/</a><br>
On 28/11/17 02:25, melinda rackham wrote:<br>
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thank you for inviting me to join this discussion Renate - its very close to me on a number of fronts and depths. Ive resonated with the discussion so far and am delighted to have new links to explore so thank you other guests for your insight into residual, viral and network contamination, symbiotic relations, boundary crossings, contaminate affect etc. However I have just driven in the APY Lands - Indigenous Homelands in central Australia where I live for 6 months of the year today and am exhausted so will respond more fully tomorrow after a good sleep.
I just wanted to comment on one aspect of contamination briefly, harking back to Renate's initial post on contamination as boundary seepage.. almost a persona "contamination creeps and has a slowness about it.” Yesterday I noticed in my news feeds a story of radioactive waste seepage accelerated by climate change on the remote Marshall Islands, halfway between Australia and Hawaii. on googling i discovered its not a new story- heres a link to the Guardian’s 2015 coverage <a class="m_-5786441185781905985moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/03/runit-dome-pacific-radioactive-waste" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/<wbr>world/2015/jul/03/runit-dome-<wbr>pacific-radioactive-waste</a>
A concrete dome, known locally as “the Tomb”, containing tonnes of radioactive waste including about 400 lumps of plutonium left over from 60 United States Pacific Nuclear tests on atolls in the 1940s and 1950s is seeping - or has been for quiet a while. What really struck me was that the dump site is sitting directly on the earth- ie it is not actually sealed and just has 18 inch slabs of concrete on top to conceal it - hardly a forward thinking containment strategy. Did the US not learn anything from the marvels of German engineering in WW 11 on how to build indestructible concrete megastructures like the Flakturms in Germany and Austria with 3.5 m (11 ft) concrete walls reinforced with steel cables. But the obscene absurdity of 18 inches of concrete icing on top of the radioactive cake? But what I want to comment on is that for 50 years its contents have already been seeping into the Pacific Ocean through the permeable earth, creeping into the planets living systems, and we have been unconcerned.
Meanwhile on a larger island at the bottom of Australia a 6000 square metre three level sandstone lined bunker houses the Museum of Old and New Art (MONA). In early interviews on the Museums owner David Walsh (the internet gambling trillionaire who built this whimsy to house his massive collection of antiquities and contemporary art) would speak about how the gallery is cut from rock deep beneath a tidal river, his engineers have told him in about 50 years water will seep in and slowly immerse the gallery spaces, making it a subterranean mausoleum. <a class="m_-5786441185781905985moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2013/february/1366597433/richard-flanagan/gambler" target="_blank">https://www.themonthly.com.au/<wbr>issue/2013/february/<wbr>1366597433/richard-flanagan/<wbr>gambler</a>
Walsh saw this as a completely fitting outcome for MONA - colloquially known as the museum of sex and death - both inevitable in life cycles. Walsh would be dead - entombed in one of his large collections of urns in the internment wall, with MoNA offering lifetime membership for $75,00 where your cremated ashes can be urned up in the sandstone wall as well. That sort of talk about submersion has unfortunately now disappeared from any discussions of the Museum as I guess Walsh doesn't want to scare away paying visitors and gamblers now he is building a casino there. However for me this planned obsolesce through tidal seepage into the pinnacles of art and culture was the most interesting concept of the whole project, pitting nature as the contaminant.
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