<div><div dir="auto">I read it but I didn’t think it was a matter to continue the discussion further. Sorry if I didn’t continue the conversation! </div><div dir="auto">(If I and you are talking about the same post :)</div><div dir="auto">You can post it back channel to my own address :)</div><div dir="auto">Cheers</div><div dir="auto">Ana</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>ons 14 feb. 2018 kl. 19:29 skrev Murat Nemet-Nejat <<a href="mailto:muratnn@gmail.com">muratnn@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<div>Ana, I had posted a response t your post of a few days ago. I wonder if it got lost with your own post.<div><br></div><div>Ciao,</div><div>Murat</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Ana Valdés <span><<a href="mailto:agora158@gmail.com" target="_blank">agora158@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------</blockquote></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><div><div dir="auto">Dear all I didn’t want to seem blasé or disappointed when I posted about my deception or disappointing for the lack of answers. As an old -empyrean :) I do remember months of intense exchange and months of silence or tiredness. But it’s as life with some friends or colleagues you keep in touch with others you grow apart.</div><div dir="auto">As a writer without colleagues my work is a solitary one for me virtuality has been a way to substitute presence.</div><div dir="auto">I am happy Lauren found Stumble Upon enjoyable the only time I was obliged to leave a forum it was when Howard Rheingold managed Electric Minds. It was hundreds of posts per week and everyone was expected to post long and elaborated reflexions. It was too tough for me, in despite for being an avid chatter and writer.</div><div dir="auto">Ana</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>tis 13 feb. 2018 kl. 12:24 skrev Johannes Birringer <<a href="mailto:Johannes.Birringer@brunel.ac.uk" target="_blank">Johannes.Birringer@brunel.ac.uk</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
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dear all<br>
<br>
I am also confused about the less than moderate comments received, and I had already exchanged a puzzled letter with Simon Taylor down at Waiheke Island, who I felt was insulted, and feeling ashamed a bit that I am/I was not more outspoken to express my discomfort with this list that had given great impetus, many times, and also caused disappointment at other times.<br>
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That was really what I tried to say, I was not advocating passivity at all, dear Renate, I was suggesting (and yes, I am older and perhaps, like Ana, tired of lists and social media, or like Simon wonder, @youtoo, about the interesting and puzzling rejections that are floating, around the field, before 7th Seal, or death’s chess player interrupts as it happened last week, unpoetically but terminally; having wanted, in my last post, to pay my respects and gratitude to Melinda and Christina and the earlier artistic and vibrant intellectual exchanges here and on other lists that I like (un-moderated, like Netbehavior, without the need of “editorial boards”, a need never brought forward for discussion here to us who own this list and ought to have a say whether we want it) – so not having actually wanted to say I am overburdened by emails, or having no more time for this – on the contrary:<br>
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I was trying to ask, others here, whether we can eventually stop fooling ourselves, about the 5775 or 2175 followers or subscribers or reactors not reacting, if in fact this month only a handful of subscribers bothered to write, what nine, or twelve? so why ask about a listserv and how to justify itself for a “new era,” when Simon’s or Christina’s brilliant posts simply end up in an empty chamber, without echo. If Ana suggest that she has given up waiting for reactions. If there is not need for echo, resonance, other than self-congratulation, no need for sharper critique and honesty, then I’d say, forget the era, it’s over, you (the pyre) were rejected, it burnt up. (And yes, a four-year lag is fine, for me, the letter I received was personal and never needed to be public.)<br>
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respectfully, and without regret,<br>
thanking many and all here with whom I corresponded<br>
over the years on discussions that moved me,<br>
not backwards into a lost era of flaneurs, but forward,.<br>
<br>
Johannes Birringer<br>
dap-lab<br>
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[Simon schreibt]<br>
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I am confused about your introduction to my post: I am verbose? I am<br>
also to the point. I am incomprehensible? I am also direct. I am<br>
powerfully political. I am nonsensical. Poetic.<br>
<br>
... I write to you as a recent PhD. in the job market, transcendent uber<br>
alles. (Perhaps there is a market for the qualities you list? Please let<br>
me know.)<br>
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