<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div><div>Thanks for your observations Dale and for taking the time to moderate this discussion. I'd be curious to hear Luke's observations of Invisible Geographies in relation to his project. I've just been revisiting Null Island and have the impression of being in a crashed game but instead of a frozen glitch I've arrived a strange quietus. There is something strangely calming about this secluded island, it makes me feel like a online Crusoe cast up by the digital sea. <br></div><div><br></div><div>In terms of your take on my own piece Dale - I consider your take totally valid, immerse yourself as you see fit. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Toby</div><div><br></div><div class="ydp78182179signature"><div>                                   <p style="margin-bottom:0cm;" align="LEFT"><font size="3" color="#000000" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><font style="font-size:11pt;">Toby Tatum</font></font></p><font size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><br><span class="ydp78182179Apple-style-span"><font color="#0059cd"><font style="font-size:11pt;"><u><a href="http://www.tobytatum.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.tobytatum.com/</a></u></font></font></span>&nbsp; </font><br><font size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><br><br></font><p style="margin-bottom:0cm;" align="LEFT"><font size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><span class="ydp78182179Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><font color="#000000">Toby Tatum's films are distributed by </font></span><span class="ydp78182179Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><font color="#14140e"><a href="http://www.cjcinema.org/pages/fiche_auteur.php?auteur=969" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Collectif Jeune Cinéma</a>&nbsp; </font></span></font><br><font size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><br></font><br></p><font size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><span class="ydp78182179Apple-style-span"></span></font><font size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><font size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><span class="ydp78182179Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><font color="#14140e">Recent interviews online <a href="http://theundergroundfilmstudio.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/FILM-PANIC-ISSUE-3.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a> &amp; <a href="http://www.swedenborg.org.uk/events/swedenborg_film_festival/programme_and_awards_24_march_2016/interview_with_2016_joint_winner_toby_tatum" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a></font></span></font></font><br></div><font size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><br></font></div></div>
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                        On Thursday, 12 April 2018, 21:40:05 GMT+1, Dale Hudson &lt;dmh2018@nyu.edu&gt; wrote:
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                    <div><div id="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><div>Thanks, Garrett, Fédérique, Toby, and Dorit, for these insights into the conception of your projects for FLEFF.<div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">One aspect of all three projects, and also Luke’s, that intrigues me is that they allow audiences to experience them in multiple ways rather than one single way.&nbsp;</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">What I mean is that <i class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Jerusalem, We Are Here</i>&nbsp;invites users to follow one of three guides through the city, selecting to read text, view videos, or look at images along them way. Exploring the project becomes a kind or archeology. It demands users to make comparisons and develop arguments about what they find. They can’t just wait for information to be interpreted for them.</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><i class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Null Island</i> requires users to move through a virtual space, orienting and reorienting their experience of hearing and seeing within a somewhat fluid space. The experience is particularly disorienting at times since the virtual space is rendered as a map with longitudinal and latitudinal coordinates that typically suggest stability.</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">With<i class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"> Best of Luck with the Wall (variant)</i>, users do not necessarily need to watch for 34 hours without interruption, so that can watch segments over days or weeks — or they can dip into the video at various points, moving backward and forward. This very act calls attention to the ways that surveillance footage can be monitored by humans.</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><i class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></i></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">When screened online, <i class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">The Toby Tatum Guide to Grottoes and Groves</i> also allows the option of access images out of sequence without undermining the integrity of the immersion within the environment, thus allowing users to spend more time in particular grottoes or groves, that is, produce their own mental spaces in the curation of their interaction with the film.</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">For me, all of them moves around conventional assumptions for documentary, documenting, and documentation.&nbsp;</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Curious to know your thoughts — and please correct anything that I may have misunderstood.</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Best,</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Dale</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none">
<div><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><blockquote class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" type="cite"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">On Apr 11, 2018, at 22:46, Toby Tatum &lt;<a shape="rect" class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" href="mailto:tobyjamestatum@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tobyjamestatum@yahoo.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline;">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------</span><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" style="font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Thanks Garrett,</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Ok, for my part:<br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">I'm trying to create landscapes of the imagination - the geography of mental space. Although there is a profound engagement specific places when I'm out shooting material but during the editing process the filmed material becomes reformed into something reflective of my own inner geography.<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248ydpea567dcsignature"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><p class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" style="margin-bottom:0cm;" align="LEFT"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" style="font-size:11pt;">Toby Tatum</font></font></p><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248ydpea567dcApple-style-span"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" color="#0059cd"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" style="font-size:11pt;"><u class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><a shape="rect" class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" href="http://www.tobytatum.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.tobytatum.com/</a></u></font></font></span>&nbsp;<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></font><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></font><p class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" style="margin-bottom:0cm;" align="LEFT"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248ydpea567dcApple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Toby Tatum's films are distributed by<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></font></span><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248ydpea567dcApple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" color="#14140e"><a shape="rect" class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" href="http://www.cjcinema.org/pages/fiche_auteur.php?auteur=969" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Collectif Jeune Cinéma</a>&nbsp;<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></font></span></font><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></font><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></p><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248ydpea567dcApple-style-span"></span></font><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248ydpea567dcApple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" color="#14140e">Recent interviews online<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a shape="rect" class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" href="http://theundergroundfilmstudio.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/FILM-PANIC-ISSUE-3.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>&amp;<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a shape="rect" class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" href="http://www.swedenborg.org.uk/events/swedenborg_film_festival/programme_and_awards_24_march_2016/interview_with_2016_joint_winner_toby_tatum" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a></font></span></font></font><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></font></div></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248yahoo_quoted" id="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248yahoo_quoted_3551368003"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">On Wednesday, 11 April 2018, 18:34:43 GMT+1, Garrett Lynch &lt;<a shape="rect" class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" href="mailto:garrett@asquare.org" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">garrett@asquare.org</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" id="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" dir="ltr">Yes gazing through technology is certainly an aspect of some of my works this probably creeps in from my reading around the New Aesthetic but the goals aren't the same.&nbsp; There is a simpler level/theme (even 'site') that links the works however, networks.&nbsp; Both&nbsp;Best of Luck with the Wall (variant) and Sculptures for Distant Places both use networks to see spaces in impossible ways.&nbsp; The former work shifts me more firmly into film because it's a collaborative work and Frédérique's main medium is film.<div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">We've both (Frédérique and myself) being talking about deterritorialisation/reterritorialisation (sticking more closely with Deleuze's spelling with an s) since it's been mentioned a few times now - trying to unpack a little more how we feel&nbsp;Best of Luck with the Wall (variant)&nbsp;deterritorialises a space.&nbsp; For us I guess this occurs on two levels; political, how politics is turing the US/Mexico border into a sort of no-mans land, and technological, how the use of technology/seeing through technology transforms the territory/space into something other than geography.&nbsp; We are not sure what that 'other' is precisely but its scale (rapidly approaching actual scale) makes us think of&nbsp;Alfred Korzybski's map-territory relation and Borges short story&nbsp;On Exactitude in Science.</div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">There seem to be aspects of&nbsp;deterritorialisation/reterritorialisation in all the works by the artist's this week (to greater and lesser degrees) - would be useful if you could all unpack this for the list.<br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248gmail_extra"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248yqt1329897004" id="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248yqtfd12892"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:15 PM, Toby Tatum<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" dir="ltr">&lt;<a shape="rect" class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" href="mailto:tobyjamestatum@yahoo.co.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tobyjamestatum@yahoo.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>wrote:<br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><blockquote class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Yes, of course! That is why your name was familiar. I can see now how<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><i class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Best of Luck with the Wall (variant)</i><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>ties in with your installation at Stuttgarter Filmwinter. I can see now that the unrelenting gaze of the surveillance camera or drone is something you're very interested in, as well as the potential for subverting those machines.<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></span></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Best Wishes,</span></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></span></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Toby<br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></span><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248gmail-m_8532543005545173689ydp205688b9signature"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><p class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" style="margin-bottom:0cm;" align="LEFT"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" style="font-size:11pt;">Toby Tatum</font></font></p><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248gmail-m_8532543005545173689ydp205688b9Apple-style-span"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" color="#0059cd"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" style="font-size:11pt;"><u class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><a shape="rect" class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" href="http://www.tobytatum.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.tobytatum.com/</a></u></font></font></span>&nbsp;<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></font><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></font><p class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" style="margin-bottom:0cm;" align="LEFT"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248gmail-m_8532543005545173689ydp205688b9Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248">Toby Tatum's films are distributed by<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></font></span><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248gmail-m_8532543005545173689ydp205688b9Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" color="#14140e"><a shape="rect" class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" href="http://www.cjcinema.org/pages/fiche_auteur.php?auteur=969" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Collectif Jeune Cinéma</a>&nbsp;<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></font></span></font><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></font><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></p><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248gmail-m_8532543005545173689ydp205688b9Apple-style-span"></span></font><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" size="3" face="garamond, new york, times, serif"><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248gmail-m_8532543005545173689ydp205688b9Apple-style-span" style="font-size:15px;"><font class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" color="#14140e">Recent interviews online<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a shape="rect" class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" href="http://theundergroundfilmstudio.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/FILM-PANIC-ISSUE-3.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a><span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>&amp;<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a shape="rect" class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" href="http://www.swedenborg.org.uk/events/swedenborg_film_festival/programme_and_awards_24_march_2016/interview_with_2016_joint_winner_toby_tatum" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a></font></span></font></font></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="all"><div class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248"><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"></div>--<span class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><br class="ydp2ebc83d8yiv4668419248" clear="none"><div class="ydp2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