<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Murat.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I didn’t understand Garrett to say that code is neutral. I understood him to be saying that code does not constitute a document in the way that documentary studies typically does.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I definitely agree that code is not neutral but a mode of power, which is why I wanted to see what other thought about shifting ways that we think about documentary from documents to operations.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">Dale</div><div class=""><br class="">
<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 16, 2018, at 22:00, Murat Nemet-Nejat <<a href="mailto:muratnn@gmail.com" class="">muratnn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Garrett,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">"...<span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class=""> </span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class="">Document in new media is simply an agreed dumbed down term for the benefit of communicating - similar to desktop as I mentioned and one of my own best loved/most hated, 'virtual'..."</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class="">Your description has the kind of naivety that often plagued the thinking around digital technology. A code is not a neutral term denoting merely convenience ("simply... a dumbed down term for the benefit of communicating..." ) but a structure of knowledge (and potentially of power) with epistemological, social, political consequences. "Convenience" has often turned out to be a bait, a Trojan horse.</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class="">Ciao,</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px" class="">Murat</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 11:12 AM, Dale Hudson <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:dmh2018@nyu.edu" target="_blank" class="">dmh2018@nyu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space" class=""><div class="">Excellent point, Garrett. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m interested in this shift from analogue to digital when document no longer become as significant as code. I’m wondering whether it help move discussion on documentary away from representation towards operation. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 16, 2018, at 13:07, Garrett Lynch <<a href="mailto:garrett@asquare.org" target="_blank" class="">garrett@asquare.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-6964260734125193231Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------</span><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="m_-6964260734125193231gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">For us, code is not a document. Document suggests a singular 'thing' or at least a group of things in proximity and closely held together. The nature of code is that it can't be thought of as a document, physical or 'real' analogies don't work well. Even the simplest type of code, say for example HTML (which is technically not code but has some of the same qualities) incorporates whole other 'documents' (e.g. images), parts of other documents (e.g. classes and functions) and those can be distributed anywhere when you factor in a network. Document in new media is simply an agreed dumbed down term for the benefit of communicating - similar to desktop as I mentioned and one of my own best loved/most hated, 'virtual'.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Dale Hudson <<a href="mailto:dmh2018@nyu.edu" target="_blank" class="">dmh2018@nyu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><div class="">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------</div><div class="">Thanks, Luke and Garrett, for this discussion.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I agree about the shortcomings in reducing operational to optical. If anything, the foregrounding of the operation of coding and transcoding should heighten our awareness of the mechanical and chemical operations to capture and render analogue images.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’ve been interested in new media (for lack of a better term) documentaries (also for lack of a better term) that instruct users in how data is tagged, sorted, and rendered into information, as well as the structural limitations to the kinds of information that can be rendered.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’ve also been interested in documentaries that emerge in different iterations, conforming to the limitations of a particular venue but then morphing for other venues. This variation also seems important as a mode of instruction that teaches critical practices of “interacting” with digital media. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In terms of documentary’s relationship with the visual, I have colleagues who work in documentary poetry and theater. For them written or audio testimony is a document. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am interested to know what people think (or whether people think) of code as a “document.” </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class="">Dale</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-- </div><div class="">regards</div><div class="">Garrett</div><div class="">_________________</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:Garrett@asquare.org" target="_blank" class="">Garrett@asquare.org</a></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.asquare.org/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.asquare.org/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Current events and soon:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Real Virtuality The Networked Art of Garrett Lynch:</div><div class=""><a href="http://realvirtuality.peripheralforms.com/" target="_blank" class="">http://realvirtuality.<wbr class="">peripheralforms.com/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A network of people who attended an exhibition and contributed to the creation of this work</div><div class=""><a href="http://asquare.org/work/peoplenetwork/" target="_blank" class="">http://asquare.org/work/<wbr class="">peoplenetwork/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Pick up a postcard and participate at any of the following galleries: Aksioma Institute for Contemporary Art (Ljubljana, Slovenia), Bannister Gallery (Rhode Island, USA), Centro ADM (Mexico City, Mexico), Centro de Cultura Digital (Mexico City, Mexico), Gallery XY (Olomouc, Czech Republic), Gedok (Stuttgart, Germany), Guest Room (North Carolina, USA), Human Ecosystems (Rome, Italy), Kunst Museum (Stuttgart, Germany), Laboratorio Arte Alameda (Mexico City, Mexico), Le Wonder (Bagnolet, France), MUTE (Lisbon, Portugal), NYU Art Gallery (Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates), Open Signal (Portland, USA), Plymouth Arts Centre (Plymouth, England), The Gallery at Plymouth College of Art (Plymouth, England), Transfer Gallery (New York, USA), Upfor Gallery (Portland, USA), Watermans (London, England), Wilhelmspalais (Stuttgart, Germany), WOWA (Riccione, Italy), ZKM | Center for Art and Media (Karlsruhe, Germany)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best of Luck with the Wall (variant) @ European Media Art Festival, Report - notes from reality (Osnabrueck, Germany) 18/04 - 21/05/2018</div><div class=""><a href="https://www.emaf.de/en/index.html" target="_blank" class="">https://www.emaf.de/en/index.<wbr class="">html</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">______________________________<wbr class="">_________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important" class="">empyre forum</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><a href="mailto:empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.edu.au" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" class="">empyre@lists.artdesign.unsw.<wbr class="">edu.au</a><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none" class=""><a href="http://empyre.library.cornell.edu/" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" target="_blank" class="">http://empyre.library.cornell.<wbr class="">edu</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></div></div><br class="">______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">
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