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<p>I don't think seeing humans are an infection is a trap. There is
few things to differentiate here, I supposed, first there is your
experience with the cynicism that you have encountered with a
younger generation with a neo-no-future type of "activist" (I
supposed again) as human is the cause of all our problems... did
you had this experience in the nddl context? I am also very
familiar with this specific context but I let you dig that, local
network should not be totally a surprised for you and the occasion
for a drink could be more effective on this matter. <br>
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<p>There is other aspects such as the definition of words and our
different references, thank you for the link to bookchin, I have
heard about his position and I have to say it's quite clear and
important to understand the switch in contemporary ecology to move
out of anthropocentric position. The future lies in there beyond
the anthropocene... but gooooosh it so slow to move the people out
of it. </p>
<p>There is also the idea of infection as something that could be as
paradoxal as it could be, in the Derrida sense of the Pharmakon,
this character in the antique Greece who represent the ugly face
of our society (deformed, handicaped, poor, dirty, slaves...) but
also as a representation of the outside (le dehors) a very
important concept in modern philosophy (Guattari, Foucault,
Derrida...). This character was beaten (in the genitals), burnt,
outcast out of the city from those who fed him. It was made in a
ritual that was repeated every year in order to reject the
"infection" of the inside to the outside. <br>
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<p>So what is our relation to the infection then? rejection?, to
feed it? what is an infection? From my point of view, humans are
an infection is neither positive neither negative, it lies in such
a contradiction position as it reflect a multitude that we can't
really push away, it's also an attraction. We feed the Pharmakon
and we reject it to feel satisfy or to reinforce our position in
the society....</p>
<p>Otherwise I didn't say you walk away from action (resist or
proposition), yes I've seen your involvement in the zad, and its
very important what you are doing there, crossing artivism,
activist and defend a very important place for everyone.</p>
<p>"you say you cant just walk away by saying that 15% of the
population the horrible capitalist (who unfortunetely for us does
exist) are responsible for all the damaging of the planet."</p>
<p>I am talking about push all the fault to the horrible capitalist
and their dogs... in the sense of we are also responsible to let
them do whatever they want... the us is precisely not to put
ourselves (activists in anyway) above the others, this is where we
enter the micro-politics of Guattari, no one is waiting for the
big day to come but we'll have to change at the level of our
micro-environments and it's also a very hard stand because it
could be destroy really quickly by those who want to protect their
rich privileges.</p>
<p>to be continued</p>
<p>Julien<br>
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Yes we are part of nature, and yes we (some of us much more than
others) are part of its destruction. But i fear the notions of us
being an INFECTION even as an auto immune issue… we are part of
evolution, this is key, no more, no less than any mycelium of
fungi, any tree, insect, bacteria….
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<div class="">To see us as an infection rejects this and it can
really fall into a trap i see more and more around me (i work
in the radical ecology anticapitalist movements) where the
nihilism of young people who see absolutely NO future, begin
to see humanity as the problem, overpopulation etc and human
nature as inevitably destructive of living systems. Of course
there is NO human nature, but billions of them and the
historical record shows very different relationships between
us and forms of life depending on contexts and territories. </div>
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<div class="">But this notion and rise of negativity can lead
to self hatred, it also means that some of them go towards
anarcho primitivism, where it becomes ok to bring down
civilisation (via mass sabotage of things like the electricity
system ) and thus kill millions of humans for the sake of the
planet. (see Derek Jensen et al ) </div>
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<div class="">Humans can be healers, re builders, re claimers…
we have the capacity to rebuild eco systems working with
nature not against it (not tech fixes … see permaculture
etc..) Infant its the only way we will get out of this
crisis… </div>
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<div class="">We need positivism in this crisis - forms of life
that give us a collective force - not paralysing notions that
lead us into guilt !</div>
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<div class="">Murray BOokchins social ecology taught me this -
with his notion of 2nd nature - see </div>
<h1 class="title entry-title">Murray Bookchin: Anthropocentrism
versus biocentrism – a false dichotomy</h1>
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<div class="">PS i don’t walk away i live on the zad which just
got a major airport cancelled after 50 years of struggle ! I
tend to throw my body in the way of the machines ! </div>
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class="">hey <br class="">
reach for your gun? <br class="">
nice one! what are you waiting for? there are so much
facists at the moment everywhere in the world that I
supposed you are busy reaching for your gun!! <br
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well while 15/20% of the richest bastards capitalist
are busy destroying the world 15/20% are busy
resisting and fighting them and in the same time
50/60% are busy not doing anything... I still
reinforced that humans are an infection for the world
and for themselves too. While you reaction is expected
as probably part of the 15/20% resistance you jumped
on what you thoughted as expected answers to my
statment ie probably nazi and facist solutions ie
eradication of the humanity... which is not what I
meant with my statment which was followed only by
questions... therefore you are talking about hate for
ourselves which I didnt talk about.<br class="">
I was reffering more of auto-immune system or at the
image of our subject mycelium and building a network
or fungus. <br class="">
Humans are an infection. Yes! and fortunetly its not
dangerous to say this! In fact its also a way to think
about our relation to nature and the wild. The fact
that we are part of it and that we are also
responsible for its destruction.<br class="">
whatever you say you cant just walk away by saying
that 15% of the population the horrible capitalist
(who unfortunetely for us does exist) are responsible
for all the damaging of the planet. its too easy!!<br
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<br class="">
In facist and nazi systems, dictatorship in general,
the silent and compleasant majority are also
responsible for what is happening. You cant simply
pushed that away and take your gun. I am sure you are
more clever than that. Resistance is not a one way
motorway system. Actions is good questions too.<br
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for the rest on the subject on the wild I think we
agreed somehow.<br class="">
<br class="">
cheers<br class="">
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Julien<br class="">
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When i hear the words
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<div class="">I reach for my gun, and prepare
for fascism….because this opens the door for
culling the human race, for murder of others
and for hating ourselves…..how will we ever
build a revolutionary transformation of our
worlds if we hate ourselves !!! </div>
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<div class="">Its such a dangerous thought, the
problem of ecology is NOT humans.</div>
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<div class="">The problem is a small amount of
humans maybe 15 % at most (the rich, the
elites, the hyper consumer classes - mostly in
the north of the world) who are forced by a
SYSTEM - industrial capitalism to consume, to
destroy, to commodify life !! </div>
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<div class="">INDUSTRIAL CAPITALISM IS AN
INFECTION </div>
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<div class="">When i hear the words </div>
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<div class="">WILD</div>
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<div class="">I reach for the bacteria in my gut
and realise its a fantasy</div>
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</div>
<div class="">Most anthropology shows us that
the notion of WILD is a totally western
concept… most of our human time on this planet
- remember 98.9 percent of our time on this
planet we were hunter gatherers - we did not
separate nature from the human, and we did
not have a notion of nature as different or
pure or outside of us. Most forest peoples
gardened the forest, the western eye came and
saw wild untouched forest, the locals knew the
territory, modified it and helped it become
more abundant for them…. </div>
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<div class="">love and rage JJ</div>
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wrong and the forest where we found
lots of fungus is made up by humans.
The wild forest before is used to be
reculated by humans where much more
wild and what we could nature used to
be wild for humans.</div>
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class="">Whats is the problem with
infected humans with fungus? Why are
we so attracted to used mycelium? what
art have to say to this domain? what
artists have to bring to the debate in
the mycelium research to save the
planet or to change the course of the
destruction of our world?</div>
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raised on this matter but here few of
them.</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">such an
important conversation. thanks!</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">I work with
plants and fungi. Which particular
species, spores, seeds matters a
lot. Regardless of what names “we”
(moderns, elites) choose, things act
and react, travel, etc. So if one
really needs to spread spores to
make symbolic statements, one might
be meticulous and careful about
which spores, which material
effects. Fungal blasts, blights
destroy fields, forests,
plantations, etc. Others rebuild
them. Mycorrhizals are not
necessarily good. Saprobes are not
necessarily bad. We know little
about them. but we can at least try
to be specific about what to use. </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">I hope that
as interdisciplinary
artists-scientists, we might try to
figure out small, grounded ways of
really listening to these
materialities anew, to figure out
how they act in the world —instead
of assuming that these are already
known, or that they are ours to play
with. </div>
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invasive species discourse
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<div class="">Invasive
species is a
terrible term, for
sure, but zebra and
quagga mussels have
turned Lake Michigan
a beautiful pure
almost Aryan blue,
and they've
basically wiped out
almost all other
life in the lake...
They were brought in
the bilge water of
freighters coming
from the Black Sea,
as quite a few
others have been;
and though it would
be relatively easy
to transfer the
cargo of these ships
to trains before
they ever get to the
Great Lakes, nothing
is done, apparently
because the US and
Canada are so proud
of engineering the
locks of St Lawrence
Seaway. Or maybe
it's just because
the state only
thinks in terms of
money, production
and trade, and not
of beings and
balances and
histories and
futures. I guess the
main thing is to be
aware of the
consequences of what
one does, and of
what powerful forces
in out societies do,
and to struggle not
for purity or even
Nature, but for more
vital and viable
tomorrows all
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<div class="">Thanks
to everyone for this
thread and the whole
series, it's
beautiful, Brian<br
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But the answer
begs the question
in a sense; I'd
rather start from
an in-depth
knowledge of a
landscape/biome,
rather than aryan
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