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<p>great start for getting into week4... bringing up the listserve
network and the 90s... <br>
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<p>networking in the 90s, me finger fucking Francesca across the
deep waters.<br>
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<p>take over, dollyoko, reanimated....</p>
<p>over</p>
<p>sl<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Shu Lea,</div>
<div> thanks tor the link to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="http://compostingthenet.net/" target="_blank">http://compostingthenet.net</a> which
i was just playing with for a bit. I had once tried to get a
more prosaic set of tools developed for working with <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://nettime.org">nettime.org</a>
as a collaboration with Warren Sack. (We picked that one as
its archive is public and has been for years). Nobody would
fund it so that didn't happen. I don't know how much one
would need tools for doing digital humanities style work on
listserv culture, or if one just needs to think about it and
do it the old human humanities way. </div>
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<div>Its remarkable how the networks of the nineties get left
out of various histories, from art history to media history.
I was at a rather good event on cybernetics organized by
millennial artists, librarians, coders. Of the three hundred
people there, nobody knew what nettime was, or any of the
other similar networks i polled the audience about. They had
only heard of rhizome because its now a program at New
Museum. I see a lot of people re-inventing the wheel. I had
to sit through a panel discussion recently at which one
panelist declared that "there is no critical writing about
tech."</div>
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<div>So the question then becomes one of the temporal aspect
of networks, how they might pass themselves along through
time without losing too much of their form. One can see
what's going to happen if one reads the books on the
Situationist International, which is all things to all
people, but is never a network in the literature, let alone
a series of conflicts and mediations about what a network is
or could be. I tried to remedy that a bit in The Beach
Beneath the Street, but there's a lot to be done to create a
network approach to the history of networks. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Shu
Lea Cheang <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:shulea@earthlink.net" target="_blank">shulea@earthlink.net</a>></span>
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<p>hi, warkk</p>
<p>I think we should bring in Rachel Baker to help us
digging into the Situationists!! and we can start
listing some keywords: distributed, autonomous.... (with
all empyrians' help!)<br>
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<p>so, indeed about the threads...just as we witnessed
here last 3 weeks, the multiple threads, the threads
that got picked up or sunk into oblivion......</p>
<p>and about listserve culture...you should really work on
the book. I am very interested in it. <br>
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<p>i have this web work, composting the net (2013).<br>
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<p>real time accessing listserve, retrieve the postings
randomly, scramble the words, make compost out of it for
the fresh sprouts to grow..</p>
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href="http://compostingthenet.net" target="_blank">http://compostingthenet.net</a></p>
<p>use menu pull down to take a listserve, when one start
composting process, press mouse to stop the tumbling and
read.<br>
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<p>the composted ones - nettime, spectre, empyre, idc,
aha, (skor is out, and it seems rohpost also not
available any more)<br>
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<p>Annet Decker once commissioned me to compost SKOR of
NL, which gave me the archive access . unfortunately
SKOR got shut down and the site is no longer available.
this was casualty of NL's last media art budget cut...</p>
<p>over</p>
<p>sl<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Shu Lea,
<div> i was at a thesis defense just yesterday and
i was thinking about this. The defender's name is
Pehr Englen, and i expect he'll write about this
soon. The topic was the Situationist International
considered as a network, and as an argument between
different forms of network. Which got me thinking
about Jacqueline de Jonge's journal, The
Situationist Times, which one can read as a
publication for artists and (partly) by artists that
was a resource-book for thinking and acting in
networks. It was multi-lingual, but had more of a
visual than a written language. There were issues
devoted to specific topologies, such as rings or
spirals. I think this side of the Situationist
International that ended up in The Situationist
Times was very interested in what distributed
networks of autonomous groupings would be like as a
form of artistic communication. One has to wrest it
out of the hands of art history, which is more
interested in either individual artists or movements
that have names and leaders. This was an avant-garde
that had neither of those qualities.</div>
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<div>This connected for me to a project i have never
quite managed to get done, which would be a more
personal account of the listserv culture of the
nineties. I was on nettime more than empyre but i
see them as part of a network of networks that
includes undercurrents, spectre, rhizome and several
others. How do you write about something in the form
of linear prose that didn't have that form at all?
It is hard enough with just two correspondents. When
i was editing my correspondence with Kathy Acker
this drove me crazy. In actuality there were always
several threads going and we answered each other on
those threads. But in book form all that has to
collapse into one sequence. I printed the whole
thing out and moved the documents around on the
floor. The order ended up being a compromise.
Imagine doing that for dozens of threads among
hundreds of parties.... Not that i would want to
actually transform those listserv debates literally
into print form, but even just notionally to
transform the dynamics of those networks into one
prose narrative seems to defeat the form of the
thing itself.</div>
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<div>So that might be a place to start thinking about
speculative *and* tangible networks, or ones that
are both at once. </div>
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<p>Dear all</p>
<p>thanks to Fran llich's latest posting (as
promised) which coming at the tail end of
week3 serves well to lead us into week 4. I
believe there would be some follow up for
Fran's tremendous endeavours, Fran, please
stay with us for this week 4.</p>
<p>This week we focus on <span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times">proposals
for speculative, tangible networks - the
unrealized, to be realized, the anticipated,
to be anticipated, the trashed and the in
progress, deep sleep conjuration, deep water
dive in, deep root expounding.... we open up
this week to welcome all your proposal
contributions.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times">I
am honored to welcome the following three
heavy-weight thinkers, writers, hackers,
weavers+++ whose work i admired much to
join us this week.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span></span><span>Francesca
da Rimini (Adelaide, Australia) is an
artist, writer, filmmaker and researcher.</span><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana">
</span><span>She was awarded an Australia
Council New Media Fellowship in 1999, and
her work has been widely published and
exhibited. She is a founding member of the
cyberfeminist art collective VNS Matrix,
intercontinental group identity_runners
(with Diane Ludin and Agnese Trocchi, and In
Her Interior (with Virginia Barratt). Recent
collaborations include
performance/installation <i>lips becoming
beaks, hexing the alien</i> and <i>The
Darkening</i>. She periodically adds to
her labyrinth at LambdaMOO to continue
hexing capitalism from within the beast.</span>
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style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Denis
Roio aka Jaromil (Amsterdam, NL) is a </span><span>purpose
driven software artisan and well known
ethical hacker.</span><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana">
</span><span>CTO and co-founder of the
Dyne.org think &do tank, a non-profit
foundation with more than 15 years of
expertise in social and technical
innovation. Leading digital culture
institution popular among digital natives
and millenials. Jaromil shares
understandable insights and visions on
Internet of Things, Blockchain Technologies,
Cyber Security, Data Ownership and Software
Freedom. Expert speaker about Open Source,
Lean and Agile methodologies</span><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana"></span><span>McKenzie
Wark from New Castle, Australia, currentl
living and working in New York City. </span><span>
known for his writings on <a
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_studies"
title="Media studies" target="_blank">media
theory</a>, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory"
title="Critical theory" target="_blank">critical
theory</a>, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_media"
title="New media" target="_blank">new
media</a>, and the <a
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href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situationist_International"
title="Situationist International"
target="_blank">Situationist International</a>.
His best known works are <i><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hacker_Manifesto"
title="A Hacker Manifesto"
target="_blank">A Hacker Manifesto</a></i>
and <i><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamer_Theory&action=edit&redlink=1"
class="m_8472514220536545380m_-1558535988817260495new" title="Gamer
Theory (page does not exist)"
target="_blank">Gamer Theory</a></i>. He
is Professor of Media and Cultural Studies
at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_School"
title="The New School" target="_blank">The
New School</a> in New York City. To cite a
few of his books -</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span>
</span><i>The Beach Beneath the Street: The
Everyday Life and Glorious Times of the
Situationist International</i> (Verso,
2011) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span>
</span><i>Telesthesia: Communication,
Culture and Class</i> (Polity, 2012) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span>
</span><i>Excommunication: Three Inquiries
in Media and Mediation</i> (with Alexander
R. Galloway and Eugene Thacker) (University
of Chicago Press, 2013) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span>
</span><i>The Spectacle of Disintegration</i>
(Verso, 2013) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span>
</span><i>Molecular Red: Theory for the
Anthropocene</i> (Verso, 2015) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span>
</span><i>General Intellects: Twenty-One
Thinkers for the Twenty-First Century</i>
(Verso, 2017) <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On a sunny day in
June.. let the words begin....</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>over</span></p>
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<strong>Professor of Media and Culture</strong><br>
<span style="color:#e82e21">EUGENE LANG
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212 229 5100 2241 / <span
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646 3697266 / @mckenziewark / room #456<br>
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