<div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><div dir="ltr">Shu Lea,</div><div> thanks tor the link to <a class="gmail-m_8472514220536545380moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://compostingthenet.net/" target="_blank">http://compostingthenet.net</a> which i was just playing with for a bit. I had once tried to get a more prosaic set of tools developed for working with <a href="http://nettime.org">nettime.org</a> as a collaboration with Warren Sack. (We picked that one as its archive is public and has been for years). Nobody would fund it so that didn't happen. I don't know how much one would need tools for doing digital humanities style work on listserv culture, or if one just needs to think about it and do it the old human humanities way. </div><div><br></div><div>Its remarkable how the networks of the nineties get left out of various histories, from art history to media history. I was at a rather good event on cybernetics organized by millennial artists, librarians, coders. Of the three hundred people there, nobody knew what nettime was, or any of the other similar networks i polled the audience about. They had only heard of rhizome because its now a program at New Museum. I see a lot of people re-inventing the wheel. I had to sit through a panel discussion recently at which one panelist declared that "there is no critical writing about tech."</div><div><br></div><div>So the question then becomes one of the temporal aspect of networks, how they might pass themselves along through time without losing too much of their form. One can see what's going to happen if one reads the books on the Situationist International, which is all things to all people, but is never a network in the literature, let alone a series of conflicts and mediations about what a network is or could be. I tried to remedy that a bit in The Beach Beneath the Street, but there's a lot to be done to create a network approach to the history of networks. </div></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 1:05 PM, Shu Lea Cheang <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shulea@earthlink.net" target="_blank">shulea@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">----------empyre- soft-skinned space----------------------<br>
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<p>hi, warkk</p>
<p>I think we should bring in Rachel Baker to help us digging into
the Situationists!! and we can start listing some keywords:
distributed, autonomous.... (with all empyrians' help!)<br>
</p>
<p>so, indeed about the threads...just as we witnessed here last 3
weeks, the multiple threads, the threads that got picked up or
sunk into oblivion......</p>
<p>and about listserve culture...you should really work on the book.
I am very interested in it. <br>
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<p>i have this web work, composting the net (2013).<br>
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<p>real time accessing listserve, retrieve the postings randomly,
scramble the words, make compost out of it for the fresh sprouts
to grow..</p>
<p> <a class="m_8472514220536545380moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://compostingthenet.net" target="_blank">http://compostingthenet.net</a></p>
<p>use menu pull down to take a listserve, when one start composting
process, press mouse to stop the tumbling and read.<br>
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<p>the composted ones - nettime, spectre, empyre, idc, aha, (skor is
out, and it seems rohpost also not available any more)<br>
</p>
<p>Annet Decker once commissioned me to compost SKOR of NL, which
gave me the archive access . unfortunately SKOR got shut down and
the site is no longer available. this was casualty of NL's last
media art budget cut...</p>
<p>over</p>
<p>sl<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Shu Lea,
<div> i was at a thesis defense just yesterday and i was
thinking about this. The defender's name is Pehr Englen, and i
expect he'll write about this soon. The topic was the
Situationist International considered as a network, and as an
argument between different forms of network. Which got me
thinking about Jacqueline de Jonge's journal, The Situationist
Times, which one can read as a publication for artists and
(partly) by artists that was a resource-book for thinking and
acting in networks. It was multi-lingual, but had more of a
visual than a written language. There were issues devoted to
specific topologies, such as rings or spirals. I think this
side of the Situationist International that ended up in The
Situationist Times was very interested in what distributed
networks of autonomous groupings would be like as a form of
artistic communication. One has to wrest it out of the hands
of art history, which is more interested in either individual
artists or movements that have names and leaders. This was an
avant-garde that had neither of those qualities.</div>
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<div>This connected for me to a project i have never quite
managed to get done, which would be a more personal account of
the listserv culture of the nineties. I was on nettime more
than empyre but i see them as part of a network of networks
that includes undercurrents, spectre, rhizome and several
others. How do you write about something in the form of linear
prose that didn't have that form at all? It is hard enough
with just two correspondents. When i was editing my
correspondence with Kathy Acker this drove me crazy. In
actuality there were always several threads going and we
answered each other on those threads. But in book form all
that has to collapse into one sequence. I printed the whole
thing out and moved the documents around on the floor. The
order ended up being a compromise. Imagine doing that for
dozens of threads among hundreds of parties.... Not that i
would want to actually transform those listserv debates
literally into print form, but even just notionally to
transform the dynamics of those networks into one prose
narrative seems to defeat the form of the thing itself.</div>
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<div>So that might be a place to start thinking about
speculative *and* tangible networks, or ones that are both at
once. </div>
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<p>Dear all</p>
<p>thanks to Fran llich's latest posting (as promised)
which coming at the tail end of week3 serves well to
lead us into week 4. I believe there would be some
follow up for Fran's tremendous endeavours, Fran, please
stay with us for this week 4.</p>
<p>This week we focus on <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times">proposals
for speculative, tangible networks - the unrealized,
to be realized, the anticipated, to be anticipated,
the trashed and the in progress, deep sleep
conjuration, deep water dive in, deep root
expounding.... we open up this week to welcome all
your proposal contributions.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times">I am
honored to welcome the following three heavy-weight
thinkers, writers, hackers, weavers+++ whose work i
admired much to join us this week.<br>
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<p> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Times"></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span></span><span>Francesca da
Rimini (Adelaide, Australia) is an artist, writer,
filmmaker and researcher.</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> </span><span>She
was awarded an Australia Council New Media Fellowship
in 1999, and her work has been widely published and
exhibited. She is a founding member of the
cyberfeminist art collective VNS Matrix,
intercontinental group identity_runners (with Diane
Ludin and Agnese Trocchi, and In Her Interior (with
Virginia Barratt). Recent collaborations include
performance/installation <i>lips becoming beaks,
hexing the alien</i> and <i>The Darkening</i>. She
periodically adds to her labyrinth at LambdaMOO to
continue hexing capitalism from within the beast.</span>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Denis Roio
aka Jaromil (Amsterdam, NL) is a </span><span>purpose
driven software artisan and well known ethical hacker.</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> </span><span>CTO
and co-founder of the Dyne.org think &do tank, a
non-profit foundation with more than 15 years of
expertise in social and technical innovation. Leading
digital culture institution popular among digital
natives and millenials. Jaromil shares understandable
insights and visions on Internet of Things, Blockchain
Technologies, Cyber Security, Data Ownership and
Software Freedom. Expert speaker about Open Source,
Lean and Agile methodologies</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana"></span><span>McKenzie
Wark from New Castle, Australia, currentl living and
working in New York City. </span><span> known for his
writings on <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_studies" title="Media studies" target="_blank">media theory</a>,
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory" title="Critical theory" target="_blank">critical
theory</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_media" title="New media" target="_blank">new media</a>, and
the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situationist_International" title="Situationist International" target="_blank">Situationist
International</a>. His best known works are <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Hacker_Manifesto" title="A Hacker Manifesto" target="_blank">A
Hacker Manifesto</a></i> and <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamer_Theory&action=edit&redlink=1" class="m_8472514220536545380m_-1558535988817260495new" title="Gamer
Theory (page does not exist)" target="_blank">Gamer
Theory</a></i>. He is Professor of Media and
Cultural Studies at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_School" title="The New School" target="_blank">The New
School</a> in New York City. To cite a few of his
books -</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span> </span><i>The
Beach Beneath the Street: The Everyday Life and
Glorious Times of the Situationist International</i>
(Verso, 2011) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span> </span><i>Telesthesia:
Communication, Culture and Class</i> (Polity, 2012)
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span> </span><i>Excommunication:
Three Inquiries in Media and Mediation</i> (with
Alexander R. Galloway and Eugene Thacker) (University
of Chicago Press, 2013) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span> </span><i>The
Spectacle of Disintegration</i> (Verso, 2013) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span> </span><i>Molecular
Red: Theory for the Anthropocene</i> (Verso, 2015) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>·</span><span><span> </span><i>General
Intellects: Twenty-One Thinkers for the Twenty-First
Century</i> (Verso, 2017) <br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On a sunny day in June.. let
the words begin....</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>over</span></p>
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<span style="color:#e82e21">EUGENE LANG COLLEGE</span><br>
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